I applied the most recent IE6 update (KB824145) and since then, the behaviour of the scroll bar in both IE and OE has changed. When I click above or below the bar, instead of moving one screen up or down, as it always has in the past, it now moves relative to where the the pointer is on the scroll bar (i.e. if you click near the bottom of the scrollbar, the page will be moved to almost the bottom; if you click near the middle, the page will be moved to somewhere near the middle.) Has anyone else noticed this? Is there some way to restore the behaviour to what it was? Thanks!
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Change in scroll behaviour after IE6 update
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Until unityco and mseng mentioned it, I was a very happy man with the November Cumulative Update for IE.
I can tell you that, fingers crossed, some odd occasional behavior with displaying .gif or .jpeg or .jpg images on certain web pages is gone.
I think I can survive the scroll-bar issue given a vote of red-X's vs. scroll smoothness.
My vote, anyway.
I can tell you that, fingers crossed, some odd occasional behavior with displaying .gif or .jpeg or .jpg images on certain web pages is gone.
I think I can survive the scroll-bar issue given a vote of red-X's vs. scroll smoothness.
My vote, anyway.
Someone on another forum believes it has been narrowed down to a specific version of mshtml.dll which may or may not have been installed depending on when you picked up the patch.
Quoted from another board:
6.0.2734.1600 10/16/03 4:31 PM 2,699 MB
If you have THAT version, you likely have the Scrollbar problem -- whether you know it or not.
The version you WANT to have is this:
6.0.2800.1276 10/16/03 1:34 PM 2,734 MB
Quoted from another board:
6.0.2734.1600 10/16/03 4:31 PM 2,699 MB
If you have THAT version, you likely have the Scrollbar problem -- whether you know it or not.
The version you WANT to have is this:
6.0.2800.1276 10/16/03 1:34 PM 2,734 MB
mbodenstein
Programmer
Another aspect of this I've just noticed. Clicking in the scroll bar moves the cursor within the browser window. It didn't used to!
I used to take advantage of this when trying to select text across multiple screens, i.e. set the initial cursor position, use the scroll bar to move to near the final cursor position, and do a shift-click to select the text. This technique no longer works, since the cursor moves when you use the scroll bar!
Also, the way the cursor moves is hard to characterize! Sometimes a small amount, sometimes a lot. Perhaps this relates to how near the scrollbar thumb I click - I'm not sure!
I used to take advantage of this when trying to select text across multiple screens, i.e. set the initial cursor position, use the scroll bar to move to near the final cursor position, and do a shift-click to select the text. This technique no longer works, since the cursor moves when you use the scroll bar!
Also, the way the cursor moves is hard to characterize! Sometimes a small amount, sometimes a lot. Perhaps this relates to how near the scrollbar thumb I click - I'm not sure!
This scroll bar action may be a FEATURE not a bug. I have learned to click just a little above the scroll box to jump 1 screen upwards and just a little below the scroll box to jump 1 screen downwards. If I click further above or below the scroll box the display jumps more than 1 screen.
It must be a bug because when you click anywhere on the scrollbar - on the slider or above/below it you lose your current focus on the page itself. That did not happen before. It is most inconvenient and I cannot imagine why that would be a deliberate change.
Also, if it was an intentional feature it would, I would have thought, been applied to all windows not just those of IE and MS Outlook.
Finally, intentional or otherwise I for one am not at all satisfied with it. I hope MS corrects it soon.
Gunny
Also, if it was an intentional feature it would, I would have thought, been applied to all windows not just those of IE and MS Outlook.
Finally, intentional or otherwise I for one am not at all satisfied with it. I hope MS corrects it soon.
Gunny
bcastner,
I did a search for MSHTML.DLL. I have three of them. One of them is the "good" one, according to your link, in:
C:\WINDOWS\system32
and two are the "bad" one in:
C:\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$
C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386
Any idea what I should do to cure my scrollbar problem. According to your link, I should not be having this problem because the good one is in my system folder.
TIA
Gunny
I did a search for MSHTML.DLL. I have three of them. One of them is the "good" one, according to your link, in:
C:\WINDOWS\system32
and two are the "bad" one in:
C:\WINDOWS\$NtServicePackUninstall$
C:\WINDOWS\ServicePackFiles\i386
Any idea what I should do to cure my scrollbar problem. According to your link, I should not be having this problem because the good one is in my system folder.
TIA
Gunny
DSLR has a MS IT Community monitor, Jerry Bryant, and he said on 12-9-2003 in answer to this question:
"Our engineering team is aware of this issue. I don't have a status on a fix but a bug has been entered.
--
Jerry Bryant - Microsoft IT Communities"
"Our engineering team is aware of this issue. I don't have a status on a fix but a bug has been entered.
--
Jerry Bryant - Microsoft IT Communities"
I have a similar issue since the update also. My IE scroll bar does not move to the area where the pointer is, it moves more than one full page if there is more info on the web page to be displayed, which is annoying. Seems like there should be a registry entry to control this, but I have not seen anything that is obvious.
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Thanks, bcastner. But what is DSLR?
Relative scroll bar positioning by itself might indeed be a good thing - if the scroll bar represented the whole page. Say you have a page that is seven screenfuls long, like this page, and the slider is at the top. Then if you click the scrollbar very near the bottom and the page actually scrolled all the way down to the bottom - that could be useful. But it does not. It scrolls more than one screen but doesn't scroll seven screens.
But regardless of how much scrolling it does or should do the loss of focus is bad. If you have your cursor in a particular data-entry field or you have selected/highlighted some text on the screen you lose that focus when you click on the scrollbar on or off the slider.
Gunny
Relative scroll bar positioning by itself might indeed be a good thing - if the scroll bar represented the whole page. Say you have a page that is seven screenfuls long, like this page, and the slider is at the top. Then if you click the scrollbar very near the bottom and the page actually scrolled all the way down to the bottom - that could be useful. But it does not. It scrolls more than one screen but doesn't scroll seven screens.
But regardless of how much scrolling it does or should do the loss of focus is bad. If you have your cursor in a particular data-entry field or you have selected/highlighted some text on the screen you lose that focus when you click on the scrollbar on or off the slider.
Gunny
Gunny,
DSLR = BroadBandReports
It is the old-fashioned way of referring to the site. The DNS entry resolves to the same site no matter what:
The forums are terrific. The Tweak Test and other tools are nearly industry standard as a reference for on-line support. Just simply a great site. (I should note that I am bcastner, MVM at this site).
The scroll-bar issue was not intended as a new "feature" of Windows. It is simply a bug. My note above about Jerry Bryant was just to reassure everyone that MS is not ignorant of the issue, and a fix is promised. Microsoft publicly monitors various sites to discover user concerns, and to help beat down the possibility of an "urban myth" about its products. Jerry Bryant, I mentioned above, is one example. This site for example is regularly read in a formal way by Microsoft to identify problems with their products. DSLR offers to the software companies a formal way for their monitors to participate with clear identification of who they are and that the messages posted have some official authority.
If Jerry Bryant (a good guy) says that MS is aware of an issue, well they are then aware of the issue. Expect a repair to MSHTML.DLL in the next IE rollup (in January) is my guess.
DSLR = BroadBandReports
It is the old-fashioned way of referring to the site. The DNS entry resolves to the same site no matter what:
The forums are terrific. The Tweak Test and other tools are nearly industry standard as a reference for on-line support. Just simply a great site. (I should note that I am bcastner, MVM at this site).
The scroll-bar issue was not intended as a new "feature" of Windows. It is simply a bug. My note above about Jerry Bryant was just to reassure everyone that MS is not ignorant of the issue, and a fix is promised. Microsoft publicly monitors various sites to discover user concerns, and to help beat down the possibility of an "urban myth" about its products. Jerry Bryant, I mentioned above, is one example. This site for example is regularly read in a formal way by Microsoft to identify problems with their products. DSLR offers to the software companies a formal way for their monitors to participate with clear identification of who they are and that the messages posted have some official authority.
If Jerry Bryant (a good guy) says that MS is aware of an issue, well they are then aware of the issue. Expect a repair to MSHTML.DLL in the next IE rollup (in January) is my guess.
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