Benefits of VOIP 3

[DomP]

If you had to summarize the benefits and pitfalls of VOIP what would they be? And is VOIP much more attractive/compelling to organizations that have multiple sites compared to an organization that only has one site.

Your insights would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Dom

 

[GoTellBigDaddy]

I think you are muting yourself out ccmuser. This post is undoing itself fast. You've been getting too close to machines. Go give someone a hug.

Proprietary is what it is... go talk to the folks that are for open source.

SS7 doesn't belong to you or Cisco. You don't get it, okay. That's okay.

You're just too bent on Cisco.

VoIP where would VoIP be without voice ? Where would you be without traditional telecom ? NO J-O-B.

Again- you are making assumptions. You are also mixing in Carrier deployments and I can not guess- but the user posting the question is VERY unlikely a CARRIER.

Your fuel argument is old. No, fuel is always a choice and the choices have consequences. Just because it can be done doesn't mean you have too.

Good news though !

You're right about the chicken being first.

New Question:

Do computers dream ?



The older I get, the less I know

 

[DomP]

Thanks guys for all the great insights. This is from the "original" poster of the question that started this thread. I, like many companies when confronted with a new phone acquisition are presented with the "voip or not to voip" question. While my original plan was to purchase a voip capable solution but not actually voip enabled I've come to realize that this is probably not the most cost effective direction as various costs would have to be revisited. So that left me with a pure voip solution. Do I have an immediate need and will I realize an immediate functional benefit from this voip install? Can't really say for sure. But I didn’t want to have a non voip solution in place and be confronted with the possibility of barriers and/or “no can do” scenarios in the future. Is some of this looking for insurance on the future compared to immediate needs of the present? You betcha.

Do you mind if I squeeze in an additional question? Now that I have passed the voip question, I’m wrestling with whether or not to run my user computers thru the port on the IP phone. There are immediate cost savings related to cabling and switch port capacity requirements but there is part of me still wondering if keeping voice and data on two separate lines is the best way to go long term. Your thoughts related to this would be greatly appreciated. If separate voice runs, what would be the best cabling option? 3, 5, 5e, etc…..

Thanks again,

Dom

 

[ccmuser]

I do know cisco is NOT the creator of SS7. My statement in NO way implied or stated that fact.

Just curious how you can view SIP/323 as a protocol complicating VOICE.. Yet traditional phone networks use Protocols that perform the same funtion everyday.IE. SS7

Another great assumpion you make about my relationship with cisco. I purchase the platform that best suits our needs. Yes I choose to deploy cisco. We also deploy quite alot of Juniper and Extreme.

As I have stated in other posts.. I am THE OWNER/(well actually a Partner) of a medium size consulting/integration firm. We employ about 50 techs/engineers. And Yes I have never released a great deal of my engineering duties. But aside from that fact, most of my comments are DOLLAR and CENTS driven. You made a poor assumption to think I am a "techie".

 

[ccmuser]

What is this the original poster???

Just curios how are you planning on implementing VOICE on your network?

And yes I would merge voice and Data together over the Same wire in almost every instance.

 

[GoTellBigDaddy]

DomP (IS/IT--Manageme)

Do you mind if I squeeze in an additional question? Now that I have passed the voip question, I’m wrestling with whether or not to run my user computers thru the port on the IP phone. There are immediate cost savings related to cabling and switch port capacity requirements but there is part of me still wondering if keeping voice and data on two separate lines is the best way to go long term. Your thoughts related to this would be greatly appreciated. If separate voice runs, what would be the best cabling option? 3, 5, 5e, etc…..

DomP - keep them separate. The cost benefit is minimal and the impact on service and operations is maximum when there is (and there will be) an issue. Are you getting into keeping the phones upgraded/able to the speed of the workstation ~ PCs ? Have you considered the invisible demarcation that exists when you adopt converged cabling ?

For yu reference- I pulled out from another thread:

Recent Essential Business Communications Review Articles:

http://www.bcr.com

BCR Access: Study Finds Major Impact From Network Downtime; BCR, March 2004 pg 6

Power Protection- Pay A Little Now, Or A Lot Later; BCR, February 2004 pgs 52-56

Shifting Responsibilities; BCR, January, 2004 pg 66

The Border Patrol: Firewalls For VoIP; BCR, October, 2003 pgs 23-27

The Realities of IP-PBXs; BCR, September 2003, pgs 32-37

Field Report On Converged IP Networks; BCR, June, 2003 pgs 34-36

Troubleshooting IP-PBX Systems: Live And Learn; BCR, April 2003 pgs 24-30

Designing VoIP Networks: Lessons From The Edge; BCR, February, 2003 pgs 42-48

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The indsutry recognizes that running the PCs ~ workstations through the same cable as the IP phone is risky. Remember- you're on bleeding edge not trailing edge technology. You've made one decision to put one foot in the fire- so keep the other one out until it's safe.

Put another way- cover your ASSets.

Best Wishes

The older I get, the less I know

 

[ccmuser]

well I have some free time today.. So I looked through the articles you posted.. But I really don't see overall how they are backing up what you are saying.

So please don't post something that is overall not helpfull to the discussion. You really mean to tell me that an article on the importance of a UPS system as it relates to IP-PBX is saying don't use one? Are UPS systems not deployed in regular PBX's?

GoTellBigDaddy,
How many IPPBX systems have you deployed. How installations have given you problems due to converging DATA and VOICE along the same wire? And if problems did arise? Were you are your installation team properly trained? Bottom line the SWITCH does not know there are merged data and voice on the same line.

How much does a managed port for a high/med end switch. How much does the additional cost of the cabling plant cost to NOT converge the data. About 200-300 dollars per port when all is said and done. Os lets say a med size company of 500-1000 users. Maybe as a vendor you don't want people to utilize these things. Quite alot of money being spent there that you may loose your margin or commission on.

mergedn data an voice phones have been on the market for approx 5 years now.. Lets not call them bleeding edge..

 

[GoTellBigDaddy]

ccmuser- you are now shooting off at the mouth.

I've been selling, servicing, installing the IP-PBXs for over 6 years.

Obviously- you can't tie the UPS, power, and site surveys to what is discussed since you are a consultant contractor with a Cisco bent are are pretty much clueless about power and the effects of power on converged networks, let alone having civil chats about the topic.

So in first answering your question- how much are you paid to consult ?

Now for the other user who made the post- as it relates to the network, IP, and in question- you are running a powered network- and you want to tie in the pcs / Workstations to the phones ? Understand the ramifications of doing so and the options of not, and why.

As before.

As is, where is.

Dig a hole and fill it in again, next time consider just not opening it up.

The older I get, the less I know

 

[DomP]

ccmuser,

When you asked "What is this the original poster???" I wasn't sure if you were kidding or not but there have been a couple of references to the original post that started this thread. I was just noting that I posted the original question.

Seems your pro convergence of voice and data. Have you run into any concerns associated with data vs. voice speeds over the same line? I ask because I'm looking at a Mitel solution with 100 meg speed thru the phone. Most of our switches are gig switches with gig nics running at the client pc. Some people have said it shouldn’t make much of a difference running through the phone. The cost savings is definitely attractive.

When you ask how we are going to implement I’m not sure exactly what you mean. Vlan, managed layer2 or layer3 switches, etc……I’m relying on our vendor for the best approach regarding some of this.

Thanks,

Dom