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BCM450 R6 frimware upgrade problematic on 1165e 4

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DocRobotnik

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Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii THERE ! :)


Here an other annoying bug i discovered.

The BCM always automaticly on connection upgrade the frimware of my 1165e to an SIP frimware....
as far i know the bcm don't support SIP ?!!?! so i really don't understand why the bcm always do this... this is very annoying i need always to re flash it in TFTP and disable the service of UFTP in the bcm.

Unless someone here will tell me that BCM have top secret SIP feature, beside of this possibility i wish to find a way to stop the BCM upgrading that phone. My only solution that i have is to connect the hard drive in a redhat linux computer and delete the 1165eSIP.bin manually.

But i'm looking for a idea less wild.

Thanks!
 
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SIP phone support for the BCM range was developed at 5.0 and enchanced at 6.0 but not officially released as Avaya wanted the IPO to take over. I have along with other members on this forum played with SIP phones on BCM and I would not recommend you using them unless on a lab system. There is a guide I wrote on my website that explains what we managed to find out.

The 1165 IP phone was never supported on the BCM range, but there are ways to upload the UNIStim / SIP firmware onto the BCM.

Firebird Scrambler

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Firebird,

I play with at home, i dunno why i got interested to this domain (Telecom) but i learn and discover every days about it, i'm originaly a network administrator and webmaster who endup as a maintenance worker in a public school, ah ! what a change of domain !

Anwyay !! i just play with that system for fun, i got it on ebay for 300$ and there is a guy who craked the BCM (Jailbreak) all licence unlock to maximum, i started my learning with a compact ics, a company gived it to me and i learned from scratch there just one phone one KSU and 2 manual, installer guide and administrator guide. After some years i was no more satisfied i need MORE more learning more features, so i get a BCM400 3.7 last 1 year exploited it at 110% Still not satisfied now i get that BCM450 R6... what next ?? Maybe a CS1000 OR a Ucx conversion of the BCM450 i will see in few years.

Anyway by playing with the BCM450 R6 by trying to see the maximum of it capability, i saw in the nortel element manager a SIP SET section but everytime i access it, it crash. In the Avaya element manager i don'T see that folder anymore SIP SET has completly gone.

So if the BCM can really support SIP set i don't see where i can set any config of it for clients set.

I also scanned all port of the BCM with a port tools scanner, and port 5060 is closed, so i removed from my mind the possibility of SIP set on it.

Your guide look very interesting !!!! i will need to take a look on it for sure !

Beside of this you wrote 'but there are ways to upload the UNIStim / SIP firmware onto the BCM.'
I understand in that sentend that we can upload to the BCM the frimware the bcm will use for phones ?? if this is true it's a great news :D i need to know how !

THANKS !
Mike
 
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If the sets are only for BCM and the BCM is fully patched then there is no need to upgrade the firmware any further.
The patch installs the latest firmware's for all the sets that the BCM with it's patches will support.
Like most things when it is no longer supported then stop upgrading components.

However if using the set for other systems as well in your lab then by all means do so but remember it's not supported.
In fact I think they stopped with the firmware upgrades too.

"So if the BCM can really support SIP"
SIP is not supported, as mentioned it was never released, and never perfected/finished.

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If the BCM automatically "upgrades" the 1165 phone to SIP firmware, that means this 1165 SIP firmware binary file is present on the BCM file system. That is certainly not normal.

Did you by any chance copy new firmware files to the BCM? If that's the case, you should just delete the 1165 firmware file (0626xxx.bin) - the firmware upgrades of the 1165 phone should then stop.
 
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The BCM always automaticly on connection upgrade the frimware of my 1165e to an SIP frimware....

I've never been able to get a SIP set to update firmware from the BCM. I've always had to point the phone at a TFTP server. As previously stated the 1165e isn't even supported on the BCM so I don't know how SIP firmware would be residing in the correct folder unless someone manually put it there at the Linux level. If the phone really is getting flashed to SIP firmware I'd like to know how this was made to work.

Brian Cox
Georgia Telephone
 
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You are Right Curlycord, we are not that far, abit far but not really to compare BC, i'm in quebec around montreal.
I don't have a LinkedIn.

Ucxguy here the alarm when it upgrade my 1165e

Terminal Dn:317: firmware version being upgraded from 0626C7J to bcmmode\SIP1165e04.04.31.00.bin

After my set turn completly useless.....

I wish to copy them on the BCM but how you want i access the hard drive, this is not as easy like the BCM400 3.7 just make a share to the drive.

If anyone know how to access the hard drive files without pulling out the hard drive on an other machine i would like to know !

Thanks guys for answers it's very cool :)
 
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I do know how to access but too sensitive to talk about on the forums.

I figure it was Montreal by your accent lol.

As for useless Ip set you need to convert it back to Unistim.

Our good friend Joe did a video on it here.





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If the phone really is getting flashed to SIP firmware I'd like to know how this was made to work."

For the UFTP uploader, a binary file is just a binary file - when it's "told" to upload it to a phone, it will do that no matter if the contents is SIP or UNISTIM firmware. A better question is why there is a SIP firmware on the release 6 image - my guess is Avaya decided to put it there. The unfortunate consequence is the conversion of your 1165 phone to SIP.

To stop this behavior, you'd have to delete the file SIP1165e04.04.31.00.bin from the BCM file system. BCM mode firmware is located in the directory /nn/etc/IpSetFw/BcmMode - I checked my BCM50 - I don't see any SIP firmware in there. Maybe it's just on BCM450 images.

The info how to access the BCM Linux command line is - as curlycord pointed out - a sensitive matter and is not normally discussed here. Also, the command line access is not for everyone - you could easily kill the BCM by making inappropriate changes. You would need to get the password of the day for your BCM...
 
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Whenever Avaya releases a newer release of firmware for the IP UNIStim sets (which tends to be once a year), I check that they are compatible for the BCM as the release is actually for the CS1K range of phone systems.

The readme.txt file will mention if it's compatible and so far, my sets all have something like 0621C96.bin etc.

I use a process that uploads them via FTP or USB through a SSH access tool and this method isn't for discussion on this forum for reasons that are clear to those who know how it's done.

I also upload the lastest SIP files such as SIP1165e04.04.31.00.bin as the "31" release has only recently been released by Avaya.

Firebird Scrambler

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I think to just remove the hard drive and install it in a PC with centOs or Redhat will be more simple to manage files inside the bcm, if something happen i still have the backup of the RAID hdd#2

It look not easy access like the bcm 3.7 in windows, it was a peice of cake ! (for me) But having full power like i had on my 3.7 look very hard on this 450R6

Do a Remote Desktop of the operating system exist ? Like the 3.7 had (VNC) ?

I heared the operating system in the BCM is Redhat but as i remember redhat is not a Text version of os..
 
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I connected the Harddrive #1 on a PC booted with usb stick Hiren's Ultimate Boot Tool, used Linux Recovery Partition tool. Navigated in the BCM hdd
i renamed the File .old because i don't really like to delete in case if ever need it back.....

but damn.... the uftp still get it !

Terminal Dn:317: firmware version being upgraded from 0626C7J to bcmmode\SIP1165e04.04.31.00.old

What ever the name the system know it's that file... that is crazy !
i will try to copy them in a usb stick and really delete them.

I will keep update.
 
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I deleted them all, and i replaced them by latest Nortel Firmware, (because logo and open sound is really nicer) and the UFTP accepted it and know what file for model of phones, even my 1165e is updating properly now like magic !

Terminal Dn:312: firmware version being upgraded from 0623C8Y to bcmmode\0623C7J.bin

 
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My BCM 50 has all the latest SIP firmware added into the same folder where the latest UNIStim ones are located. I don't have issues with any of my IP compatible sets changing over to SIP.

Firebird Scrambler

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Exsmogger,

As i saw, if the BCM can't find a firmware for unistim it will automaticly look for SIP, i can't list up all files and copy paste here because it's a complicated process to access the harddrive via an other computer by connecting physicaly the BCM hdd.. i never find an other way... but what i seen is my 1165e has no firmware file unistim in the folder 'IpSetFw/BcmMode' but the SIP one was there so the bcm just decide everytime to upgrade it as SIP, BUT ! i saw in the folder that all other phones in the series 11xx has a unistim firmware AND a SIP firmware, if there is a way to froce frimware update and choose the one we want i never find out how, but this is strange that the 2 version reside there maybe it was a future plant for SIP Client function if nortel did not die.

So to upgrade it to SIP, try to remove from the folder the unistim frimware and let the SIP there, or just tftp, if the BCM bring it back anyway to unistim just shutdown the service ''UFTP server''

Tell me if it work i'm curious.

Btw the 1230 is fully working on the BCM unistim mode ?
 
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I removed all unistim firmwares from the BcmMode folder and only left the SIP firmwares. I rebooted my 1230 IP phone and it stayed at unistim firmware. Looks like this is just a quirk of the 1165e. As David wrote, it wasn't fully supported on the BCM, just on the IPO and CS1000. I think it works like an 1140e on the BCM.

Brian Cox
Georgia Telephone
 
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So i need to figure out the 1230 is ignored by the bcm, what about the 1140e ? it was working for this one ?

For my part i have still a problem with my i2007 that i said from an other post... impossible to upgrade the firmware by TFTP
but also impossible by unistim, i see the progress bar of the upgrate at around 95-98% the phone turn off reboot and still same old firmware, and it reboot in loop infinite because when the bcm see it want to upgrade always....

i don't know whats wrong with that set...


But beside of this, why you want to make your set SIP ? your bcm accept SIP set ?
 
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