Avaya....What is going to happen? 5

[300Blackout]

Avaya filed Chapter 11 yesterday. Wonder what is going to happen? I think it hurt Avaya buying Nortel. Nortel was old TDM platform and the BCM was pretty much a flop especially the BCM 50. Avaya had too many platforms to keep up kind of like GM with car brands.

 

[phoneguy610]

It's not like I'm inventing these statistics they are out there for everyone

 

[RLSbutton]

I wasn't saying that to be mean, I was serious. They aren't thinking about the future, they are big and corrupt and full of old business practices. Man lighten up dude.



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[RLSbutton]

Seriously, wasn't trying to offend you.

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[Dexman]

VoIP-info.org projects only 6% of phone service will be landline by end of 2018. That's next year. Ask any Verizon tech they'll tell you the same. If you cannot see writing on the wall brother I don't know what to tell you.

Verizon, at&t, Fairpoint and others are not going to simply cut power to their legacy switches and walk away. LECs may consolidate Central Office voice switching duties and have regional "superswitches" (in the same vein as tandem switches) to provide D.T. to remaining subscribers, but to simply pull the plug....not happening anytime soon.

This topic has gone way off course. We could open another one to continue discussing the future of TDM communications.

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[RLSbutton]

Yes, I am sorry, Avaya (original topic) doesn't even support the Centrex switches of those big Emergency operations systems....it's Genband.

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[curlycord]

Probably because they seemed to adopt a lot of (IMHO BAD) Nortel working practices"

Avaya was it's own company and I don't think they had any intention of adapting anything



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[phoneguy610]

i wasnt offended LOL, i take everything on the chin even if you wanted to offend =)

Im just saying those are the statistics.

And yes we did get quite off topic

 

[sto933]

http://www.tek-tips.com/userinfo.cfm?member=phoneguy610[/URL]]VoIP-info.org projects only 6% of phone service will be landline by end of 2018

http://www.tek-tips.com/userinfo.cfm?member=phoneguy610[/URL]]It's not like I'm inventing these statistics they are out there for everyone

Just few posts - and "projects" are already "statistics". Are we already in 2018?

 

[kwbMitel]

I was having great difficulty in following Sto933's post and point so just in case I was not alone.

@Sto933 - I can tell by your stats that you don't post very much even if you have been around since 2007. If you copy a users name, you are actually copying a link to their data. I always type in the name to avoid this.

Also, the Preview button can show you issues like this before you Submit.

I believe you meant to post the following:

VoIP-info.org projects only 6% of phone service will be landline by end of 2018

It's not like I'm inventing these statistics they are out there for everyone

Just few posts - and "projects" are already "statistics". Are we already in 2018?​

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[sto933]

@Sto933 - I can tell by your stats that you don't post very much even if you have been around since 2007. If you copy a users name, you are actually copying a link to their data. I always type in the name to avoid this.

@kwbMitel - I can tell by your stats that you post very much.
Thanks, buddy, for a tip. Now my post looks like I wanted it to look.
Did not mean to offend anybody but I checked at VoIP-info.org and did not find that figures.
OK it's already off topic, sorry guys.

 

[phoneguy610]

sorry wrong site

http://thevoipreport.com/article/cold-hard-voip-stats/

here you go, the sources are cited next to each stat

 

[ucxguy]

Sorry, but quoting someone's predictions made in 2010 about the percentage of landlines that will be in use by the year 2018 is questionable at best.

 

[phoneguy610]

this artice is from february 10th of this year...

no youre right landlines are the future and voip is just a gimmick! =)

 

[phoneguy610]

and that someone making that prediction was the CDC lol

guys cmon how do you not see how this is trending

 

[RLSbutton]

But isn't VOIP landline? The only true non land line is cell phones. I can't tell you enough how my fiance razzes me about why Avaya is bankrupt. She says it's because everyone just uses their cell phones. She says their 90 person office is going to shed their Avaya switch and go with ATT cell phones next year. She says all of her clients are doing the same thing. But yet on the other end, I have people asking me, the ultimate loser dork who loves phones, to install phone systems in their businesses. Just signed on a brewery, just installed a system at a design office, and next at a classic Chicago route 66 diner coming up.

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[phoneguy610]

personally, i believe the industry is headed to no hardware. i think in 2-3 years buying a phone system will be purely logging into a web portal or downloading a plugin for your web browser that you can make and receive calls from.

 

[ucxguy]

this artice is from february 10th of this year..."
Yes, you used an article from Feb 10 2017 that states "just the facts" and one of these facts is that "Experts project that by the end of the year 2018 only 6 percent of the U.S. population will still be using the traditional landline phone network". Correctly, the statement in that article should have been that "experts from CDC !!! predicted something like that back in 2010". Am I really wrong questioning the credibility of such an article?

Being involved with VoIP since 1999, I've heard way too many predictions about the expected VoIP growth and/or POTS disappearance in the next "single digit" years. I am not suggesting these changes are not happening - just that the pace has been slower than all such overly optimistic predictions claimed. I am looking forward to a future with no analog landlines - but I am not sure if I'll live that long.

 

[curlycord]

Here is my opinion

VoIP can use both Landline(POTs,DSL,IDSN,Cable,Fibre) and Cellular... and Satellite somewhat.

Fibre/Fiber is being installed everywhere now and IS considered a landline.

Landline will still consist of Broadband over copper telephone wires or Cable TV copper of Fiber Optics.

It is the Landline Telephone and the Copper side (POT's) of the Landline that is becoming extinct....and soon Cable.

We will one day be Fiber, Cellular and Satellite (2way)


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[phoneguy610]

1999-2010 internet speeds were not sufficient in most places for quality VOIP delivered to businesses. 100 mbps internet is becoming the standard, hence the mass exodus from traditional POTS to voip services.

Also just came across this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...25f412060a8_story.html?utm_term=.777d91b24c00

Obviously not just their PBX division, but thats two major PBX players declaring bankruptcy in 2 months.