In 1985, my then employer was surveying its IT employees to see who could qualify for various ICCP certifications based on previous experience. I was one of a very few who qualified, as a "Certified Systems Professional". Got a really heavy plaque with the cert. The next month I was fired by that same company for "raising user expectations" - I was giving same day service, or same week new systems on PCs, and the users were starting to question the responsiveness of the rest of the IT organization. So much for the value of the certificate. For what it's worth, I've been doing Novell since 1986, and never gotten certified - when I interview for a job, the interviewers have been much more interested in what I have actually done, rather than what tests I might have passed. <p>Fred Wagner<br><a href=mailto:frwagne@ci.long-beach.ca.us>frwagne@ci.long-beach.ca.us</a><br><a href= > </a><br>