A collection of dialects

[PaulTEG]

It's hard to "collect" dialects on a web forum (as per Dave's dialectology/ely/ism thread1256-1082655), but would anyone try phonetically spelling out their dialect for a standard phrase, or would this be too subjective an exercise.

There's definitely a more eloquent way of putting this, but it's 9:45pm, and the stout's a drawing
--Paul

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[SantaMufasa]

Yes, Paul, in my thread, "Utahnics" as a Second Language (thread1256-1067553), I believe I covered all the bases for our local dialect(s).

It would certainly be entertaining for others to post similar lexicons for their dialects, as well.

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[PaulTEG]

Have you some "Quick brown dog" type sentence/short paragraph in mind, given you've done this st*ff before?

 

[SantaMufasa]

Utahnic pronunciation variations:

1) "or" pronounced as "ar" and "ar" pronounced as "or".
Standard pronunciation : "Margery feeds horses corn in the barn."
Sample Utahnic pronunciation: "Morgery feeds harses carn in the born."
The predominant religion here: "Marmons who pray to the Lard."
This pronunciation does not cause too much trouble unless you enlist in the "Ormy" and are stationed at "Fart Ard, Califarnia" !

2a) Low Utahics: Do not pronounce "t" sounds in the middle and end of words.
Examples:
"Button" becomes "Buh'un",
"Mountain" becomes "Mouw'un"
"Brighton Ski Area" becomes "Bry'un Ski Area"

2b) High Utahnics: "t" sounds, when pronounced at all, often become "d" sounds.
Sample Usages:
"Delta Airlines " becomes "Delda Airlines"
"Attitude" becomes "additude"
"Alta Ski Resort" becomes "Alda Ski Area"
"I goddagogedda book" means "I must go get a book."

3) Pronounce "il" phonemes as "el".
Sample Usages:
"Pillow" becomes "Pellow"
"Milk" becomes "Melk"

4) Pronounce "ah" phonemes as "ahr"
Sample Usages:
"Wash" becomes "Warsh"
"Squash" becomes "Squarsh"

5) Pronounce words ending in "sa" as "za".
Sample Usages: "Salsa" becomes "Salza".
"Mensa" becomes "Menza" (but hey, what's Mensa?)

6) Pronounce "ale" phonemes as "ell"
Sample Usages:
If something is available for purchase, It is not
"For sale", it is "For Sell"
When we empty the post box, we do not "get the mail",
we "get the mell".
The two genders here in Utah are "Mell" and "FeeMell".

Utahnic Phraseologies:

Utahnic: "What it is, is..."
Meaning: "The issue is..."

Utahnic: "But, Hey..."
Meaning: "Stop and consider this..."

Utahnic: "Set with me."
Meaning: "Sit with me."

Utahnic: "Ferignernt"
Meaning: "How Rude"
Derivation: "For ignorant"
Sample Usage: "When LaMar pulled LaDawn's hair, LaDawn shouted, "Ferignernt !" at LaMar.

Utahnic: "Oofer..."
Meaning: "How very..."
Derivation: "Oh for..."
Sample Usages: "LaRae remarked, 'Oofer Fun,' when she heard the weekend plans."
Can be combined with previous Utahnic, "Ooferignernt" meaning "How very rude".

Utahnic: "-ing" endings to words become "-un"
Sample Usages: "Going" becomes "go-un", "Heading" becomes "Head-un",
"Eating" becomes "Ee'un" (combines with previous "no-Ts" rule).

Utahnic: There is no past-tense plural conjugation of the verb infinitive "to be".
Sample Usages: "We was watch'un girls yessurday."

Utahnic: "Crick"
Meaning: "A small, stream-like flow of water."
Sample Usage: "We was hu'un up Mill Crick yessurday."
(Meaning: "We were hunting in Mill Creek yesterday.")

Utahnic: "Over Home"
Meaning: "Back Home" or "At Home"
Sample Usage: "I goddago over home fer lunch" means "I must go back home for lunch."

Utahnic: "Preeshaytya"
Meaning: "I appreciate you"

Utahnic Pseudo-French names:
"LaVell", "LaDell", "LaRue", "LaRae", "LaDawn", "LaMar", "LaVerne"

Utahnic Profanities:
"Flip", "Flippin'", "Dern", "Fetch'un'", "Freak'un", "Oh my heck", "Gosh Dang"
...and remember, In Utah, "Heck is where people go that don't believe in Gosh."



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[Dimandja]

>There's definitely a more eloquent way of putting this, but it's 9:45pm, and the stout's a drawing

...the stout's adrawing

 

[PaulTEG]

No, at this particular juncture in time the stout's a drew (call it whatever you want, it doesn't answer, I've tried ...)

I was thinking a statement that covered all those Uthanics, Ethnics, UpNicks, DownNicks, but from a point of measurement, a standard to base *nics against

Any takers ... the right statement, a new thread
--Paul
/slap self - is this projection?


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[UniqueFD]

Hi Paul,
=>UpNicks, DownNicks...

<aside>By now, "The Stout's a'DRUNK" - 3.54am (GMT), can't sleep (very unusual...)<aside>

I see a problem with trying to find a 'generic phrase' to test/benchmark dialect variations, but I shall watch this thread to see if someone comes up with one! It seem to me not just how something is said (the accent and inflextion), but also the phrases and vocabulary themselves that blend to paint the full 'dialect picture'. Like:

Utahnic: "Oofer..."
Meaning: "How very..."
Derivation: "Oh for..."
Sample Usages: "LaRae remarked, 'Oofer Fun,' when she heard the weekend plans."
Can be combined with previous Utahnic, "Ooferignernt" meaning "How very rude".

Just can't see these being said where I live (Nottingham England, BTW), somehow!

Tony
___________________________________________________
Reckless words pierce like a sword,
but the tongue of the wise brings healing (Solomon)

 

[GwydionM]

Wud yew lyke tu spel awt Standard Inglish foneticly?

The great misfortune of Written English is that Dr Johnson's dictionary endorsed a muddled system evolved haphazardly by London printers - some of whom were Dutch and put their own 'spin' on it.

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An old man who lives in the UK

 

[SantaMufasa]

Gwydion, "fonetic Inglish" all looks rather Welsh to me, you lucky devil.

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[columb]

Phonetic spelling is always a mistake. After all who's phonetics are you going to follow. As a very simple example: my wife and I are both middle class educated Brits but because we were born two hundred miles appart we differ in our pronunciation of ducks. I would spell it dux phonetically, my wife would spell it dooks. I dare anyone to tell her that her Lancashire accent is an any way incorrect!

Columb Healy

 

[SantaMufasa]

Oy, mate, me dook agrees wit wot yio loovly lady sez.

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[xlbo]

Another Lancashire oddity - the word book is pronounced

"Bewk" as well "Buk"

Apparently, there is an actual differentiation in this though with "bewk" meaning a hard backed book and "buk" being the soft back type

I believe this differentiation of vowel sounds to denote subtle differences in the same object is where the Lancashire extended vowels came from.

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[BobRodes]

Regarding columb's statement, perhaps we could simply standardize around usage in an area where English is spoken in a consistent manner by a large number of people. Kansas City, Missouri, seems to fill the bill quite well. Furthermore, the KCEP spelling system, (Kaysep) has a nice ring to it, for which it should be adopted if for no reason more important.

Bob

 

[elanor]

You from Kansas City, Bob?

Thanks!
Elanor

 

[BobRodes]

Nowhere near, actually. My choice was based entirely on demographic realities. Well, those, and a love of poking fun at the British, who are of course hopelessly provincialized with respect to concepts of English usage, and therefore easy pickins.



Bob

 

[snuv]

as an english person living in England

Au contraire!



Snuv

"If it could have gone wrong earlier and it didn't, it ultimately would have been beneficial for it to have." : Murphy's Ultimate Corollary

 

[columb]

OK Bob, so you want to standardise on some randomly picked point. Now go to the Bronx and tell them they don't talk properly. I'd suggest the east end of Glasgow but you'ld get an easier ride in the Bronx!

This of course is a dig at our colonial cousins who have a hopelessly provincialized view with respect to concepts of English usage, and therefore easy pickins

Columb Healy

 

[BobRodes]

Why, the point wasn't randomly picked at all. Merely represents the midpoint of the area which represents the largest population of consistent use of the language. It seems reasonable to standardiz around the point of most common usage.



Bob

 

[columb]

At the risk of pushing a point too far, English is the most common business language around the world and the centre of the world is...

<soapbox>
I'm going to dig my heels in on this one. It doesn't matter where you take your reference point. For the vast majority of the English speakers around the world phonetic spelling won't be phonetic so there will be but minimal gain. Put against this minimal gain the fact that all the books written in English will need to be re-published and this minimal gain becomes less valid. Meanwhile all those who's pronunciation does not match this random mid point are having their version of English marked as non-standard, or second rate.

I may be overstressing this one but one of the great changes in the UK during my lifetime has been the acceptance of regional accents. When I was growing up in the late fifties/early sixties regional accents were seen as somehow inferior and only those who spoke 'BBC English' were seen as properly educated. It was almost a form of racism. Nowadays I rejoice in hearing the full range of British accents from broad Jordy to Thames Valley accepted as the multi-faceted face of the UK.

You say tomato - I say tomato. Vive la difference!
</soapbox>

Columb Healy

 

[BobRodes]

Of course, the regional accents, including those of the American south, inner west, and the varied accents found in New England, as well as of course all of the multivariegated British and British colonial offerings (including Canada), are to be considered essential enrichments to the English language. The fact that they are in the minority with respect to population does not imply a value judgment of any kind. However, that version of English spoken by the majority, being midwestern and Californian Americans, is of course to be considered the standard by the simple fact of its majority, not to mention the pleasant sonorousness so commented upon by those in the rest of the world.

Bob