I run a Gigabyte GA8KNXP MoBo with a GForce 4 TI4800 AGP8X graphics card. When I check using Sandra 2004 it tells me that the AGP is not functional - Why is this - Am I reading the information wrong or is Sandra giving me false information. It tells me the AGP is not enabled - I am a little confused. There are no settings in the BIOS setup for the board so I assume it automatically runs and enables the AGP bus. If I view the Nvidia settings it tells me it is running in PCI mode. Where am I going wrong?
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TekTippy4U
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Look in the BIOS for Video config, disable any "Onboard" video, and for "primary video adapter".....set it to AGP not PCI
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This is indeed strange. I looked up that board and saw that it doesn't have any onboard video (which was a good point made by TekTippy).
I would suspect faulty drivers that are construing the test results. Are you sure you have the latest Nvidia drivers installed? If so, uninstall/reinstall them.
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I would suspect faulty drivers that are construing the test results. Are you sure you have the latest Nvidia drivers installed? If so, uninstall/reinstall them.
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Yes;
also try as micker377 says....
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also try as micker377 says....
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Once again I'm trying to sortout why my 8X AGP Card is not running properly.
I've tracked it down to the fact that the Intel CPU to AGP Controller does not appear to be installed on my Win98SE partition. I've downloaded the latest Intel INF Install and it refuses to install anything to do with AGP. All I have is the Standard PCI to PCI Bridge. Not sure if anyone out there has had the same problem. The dualboot into Win XP shows that it's installed OK on that OS so I assume the problem must be with 98 and the way it installs things but I am at a loss to crack it. Any ideas would be gratefully accepted.
I've tracked it down to the fact that the Intel CPU to AGP Controller does not appear to be installed on my Win98SE partition. I've downloaded the latest Intel INF Install and it refuses to install anything to do with AGP. All I have is the Standard PCI to PCI Bridge. Not sure if anyone out there has had the same problem. The dualboot into Win XP shows that it's installed OK on that OS so I assume the problem must be with 98 and the way it installs things but I am at a loss to crack it. Any ideas would be gratefully accepted.
TekTippy4U
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I'm not sure what probs will occur in Dual Boot config....but I would look for the old .inf and rename it..in 98 it may be machine.inf. See the thing is, is that you're dealing with Mobo Chipset drivers which should always be installed directly after OS, before anything else..so your ACPI and Interrupts assignments may get screwed. Plus with Dual Booting XP, I dunno what'll happen
What I'd probably do is Create a New Hardware Profile in 98 and Test with that, so you can keep the Orig. config and revert back to it, by deleting the Newer testing profile, you've created.
Right click My Computer >> properties >> Hardware Tab...select Copy and Name it whatever....now you can mess with that profile....(Be careful deleting/renaming any files though). When this is created, you "should" be presented with a Hardware profile choice to Load at Bootup, right at the end of POST...how this will coincide/work with Dual booting with XP, I can't say.
View whatever help Intel has to offer, about how to load the drivers....possibly Boot to Safe Mode in New Profile and Delete the Processor Controllers (similar to-->
Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP controller
Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to PCI bridge (with GART support)
The Display Adapter will most likely NEED to be deleted first, before it'll allow you to delete the AGP Controller...Maybe try Safe Mode and just tick the box - "Disable in this Hardware Profile" found in Device Manglers >> Device properties >> General Tab.
Caution!
Then Reboot into BIOS and Clear or Reset the ESCD...Be careful here, I don't want you to Mangle your Setup...especially with XP installed in a Dual Boot config again, not sure if this will "Revert" back to Orig, once Newer Profile is removed..
and then reboot into/choosing same newer profile and try to load drivers that way, when Hardware wizard pops it's head up..point it to the .inf from Intel
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What I'd probably do is Create a New Hardware Profile in 98 and Test with that, so you can keep the Orig. config and revert back to it, by deleting the Newer testing profile, you've created.
Right click My Computer >> properties >> Hardware Tab...select Copy and Name it whatever....now you can mess with that profile....(Be careful deleting/renaming any files though). When this is created, you "should" be presented with a Hardware profile choice to Load at Bootup, right at the end of POST...how this will coincide/work with Dual booting with XP, I can't say.
View whatever help Intel has to offer, about how to load the drivers....possibly Boot to Safe Mode in New Profile and Delete the Processor Controllers (similar to-->
Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to AGP controller
Intel 82443BX Pentium(r) II Processor to PCI bridge (with GART support)
The Display Adapter will most likely NEED to be deleted first, before it'll allow you to delete the AGP Controller...Maybe try Safe Mode and just tick the box - "Disable in this Hardware Profile" found in Device Manglers >> Device properties >> General Tab.
Caution!
Then Reboot into BIOS and Clear or Reset the ESCD...Be careful here, I don't want you to Mangle your Setup...especially with XP installed in a Dual Boot config again, not sure if this will "Revert" back to Orig, once Newer Profile is removed..
and then reboot into/choosing same newer profile and try to load drivers that way, when Hardware wizard pops it's head up..point it to the .inf from Intel
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Well, still no joy with this AGP business. Even gone to the trouble of doing a complete re-install of Win98SE on a new hard drive. It nevers finds any reference to an AGP controller from the Intel.INF - I'm totally stumped! Gigabyte don't reply and Intel just keep sending a stock reply regarding downloading the INF from their website. Still open to suggestions - if anyone is listening.
Have you tried downloading/installing Intel's Application Accelerator?
See if your chipset is supported:
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See if your chipset is supported:
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hi mikej101;
As cdogg states, i believe the utility is for Intel 810-815? ICH chipsets. I'm wondering if the XP hardware setup is interfering, cause it deals with interrupts in a completely diff manner. Using ACPI on Both configs? Have you tried a new Hardware profile in 98?....is 98 on C:\ drive?..and the HDD is Primary Master?
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As cdogg states, i believe the utility is for Intel 810-815? ICH chipsets. I'm wondering if the XP hardware setup is interfering, cause it deals with interrupts in a completely diff manner. Using ACPI on Both configs? Have you tried a new Hardware profile in 98?....is 98 on C:\ drive?..and the HDD is Primary Master?
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hi again mike;
just looking at your board specs and well...that puppy should fly...have you gone through the manual many times i'm sure?....I'm quite perplexed at this point......wonder if BIOS setting and / or some Mobo jumpers have anything to do with this. Have you installed 98 with ACPI, as XP has much more ease in detecting an ACPI compliant mobo.
What's listed at this REG key in 98
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Detect
Also how about Start > Run DXDIAG and run the tests for AGP...to heck with the other utilities readout. Do you find it's not accelerating graphics in 3D properly? Got a p4 in that mobo?
when in 98, you've gotta remove the software drivers first from Add/Remove and then boot to Safe Mode and remove everthing related to PCI bus and AGP....and then reboot into BIOS and "Reset" ESCD if any....(when you "view by connection" in Device Manager - is it all under ACPI - Plug-n-Play BIOS?......again BE CAREFUL and THINK first...not sure of the repercussions in a Dual Boot config with XP. (this is where a new hardware profile would come in handy).
If you remove everything from Device manager in 98 and let it install Standard VGA or PCI graphics adapter in
SYSTEM.INI
[boot.description]
display.drv=Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
and then install the GeForce Unidriver....wha happens?
with 98 installed on another HDD and then Install the GeForce drivers.....wha happens?
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just looking at your board specs and well...that puppy should fly...have you gone through the manual many times i'm sure?....I'm quite perplexed at this point......wonder if BIOS setting and / or some Mobo jumpers have anything to do with this. Have you installed 98 with ACPI, as XP has much more ease in detecting an ACPI compliant mobo.
What's listed at this REG key in 98
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Detect
Also how about Start > Run DXDIAG and run the tests for AGP...to heck with the other utilities readout. Do you find it's not accelerating graphics in 3D properly? Got a p4 in that mobo?
when in 98, you've gotta remove the software drivers first from Add/Remove and then boot to Safe Mode and remove everthing related to PCI bus and AGP....and then reboot into BIOS and "Reset" ESCD if any....(when you "view by connection" in Device Manager - is it all under ACPI - Plug-n-Play BIOS?......again BE CAREFUL and THINK first...not sure of the repercussions in a Dual Boot config with XP. (this is where a new hardware profile would come in handy).
If you remove everything from Device manager in 98 and let it install Standard VGA or PCI graphics adapter in
SYSTEM.INI
[boot.description]
display.drv=Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
and then install the GeForce Unidriver....wha happens?
with 98 installed on another HDD and then Install the GeForce drivers.....wha happens?
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OK - Thanks for the response - but as I said I tried a complete reinstall of WIN98SE on a brand new hard drive and still cannot get the Intel.INF file to provide any AGP support. The Intel App accelerator does not run on this chipset so theres no point following up on that one. Thanks anyway. Damn ridiculous cause it goes straight in on XP.
If I describe the Device Manager by connection maybe you can see what I mean. I dont know if there is a way to post a screen shot on here?
Listed under the PCI bus I have all the following installed OK.
Intel(R)82801 PCI Bridge 244E
Intel(R)82801EB LPC Interface Controller - 24D0
Intel(R)82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3
Intel(R)82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D2
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D4
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D7
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24DE
Intel(R)82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller 24DD
(now comes the crunch)
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Those last two should be Intel 82875P devices - one of which should be the Processor to AGP Controller -2579 and the other should be something like 82875P Memory Controller Hub - 2578 but I'm damned if I can figure out how to get it to install.
I've used both methods suggested by Intel - one using the silent install and the other by extracting the INF to a floppy disk and following the instructions to the letter.
What I really need is someone else with the same board setup to have a go at installing WIN98SE just to see what happens. Maybe the board is not really compatible with 98 - even though it is supposed to be. I'm still waiting for a reply from Gigabyte support - maybe they can't get it working either and that's why they haven't replied.
The DirectX diagnostics tell me the AGP is not available so it proves it is not functioning correctly.
Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply. I'll have another go reinstalling sometime over the weekend but can't see me getting any further cos I've done it twice already.
Gigabyte GA8KNXP MoBo - P4 Prescott 3.0G CPU - 512 Corsair (256x2) Matched Pair DDR - 4 x HDD (360GB) - 2 X CDRW - 1 X DVD - 550W PSU - Dual Boot system XP Pro & WIN98SE
If I describe the Device Manager by connection maybe you can see what I mean. I dont know if there is a way to post a screen shot on here?
Listed under the PCI bus I have all the following installed OK.
Intel(R)82801 PCI Bridge 244E
Intel(R)82801EB LPC Interface Controller - 24D0
Intel(R)82801EB SMBus Controller - 24D3
Intel(R)82801EB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D2
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D4
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D7
Intel(R)82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24DE
Intel(R)82801EB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller 24DD
(now comes the crunch)
PCI standard host CPU bridge
PCI standard PCI-to-PCI bridge
Those last two should be Intel 82875P devices - one of which should be the Processor to AGP Controller -2579 and the other should be something like 82875P Memory Controller Hub - 2578 but I'm damned if I can figure out how to get it to install.
I've used both methods suggested by Intel - one using the silent install and the other by extracting the INF to a floppy disk and following the instructions to the letter.
What I really need is someone else with the same board setup to have a go at installing WIN98SE just to see what happens. Maybe the board is not really compatible with 98 - even though it is supposed to be. I'm still waiting for a reply from Gigabyte support - maybe they can't get it working either and that's why they haven't replied.
The DirectX diagnostics tell me the AGP is not available so it proves it is not functioning correctly.
Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply. I'll have another go reinstalling sometime over the weekend but can't see me getting any further cos I've done it twice already.
Gigabyte GA8KNXP MoBo - P4 Prescott 3.0G CPU - 512 Corsair (256x2) Matched Pair DDR - 4 x HDD (360GB) - 2 X CDRW - 1 X DVD - 550W PSU - Dual Boot system XP Pro & WIN98SE
TekTippy4U
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hi mikej101;
you got me hooked with this prob...yet I have no way to test it for ya.
after viewing the Readme.txt
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/5811/ENG/readme.txt
(section 9C. Installing the Windows* 98SE/Windows* Me INF Files
after OS Installation)
taken from / linked from
It seems they want you to remove alot of devices. Do you have Plug n Play BIOS or ACPI.?
If using an ACPI BIOS for 98, try and reinstall using only APM (the intel.inf readme shows you how to look in Device mangler....look here also
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Detect
I would boot into Safe Mode and remove ALL the devices listed (that are showing in Device manager)...Safe Mode allows you to actually see doubles/triples of same devices or other devices (such as codecs, etc)..nomally not viewable.
BTW are you up to date with the usual IE stuff??.I ask cause it has (from IE 5.0 and up) a different Inf installer and command (namely Advpack.dll or Advpck32.dll - called Active Setup and Advanced Inf Installation.
Keep messing with the New install on separate HDD (better for testing)...and update 98SE (SP) from MS first maybe...then try the Inf from Intel.
I wonder if disconnecting ALL other IDE devices and setting the 98 as Primary Master will make a difference in it acting appropriately. 98SE should have no prob using / running / supporting AGP directly, especially with that hardware on that mobo. Gotta remember general MoBo designs from the Intel 443BX/ZX (~98-99) was changed alot of ways soon thereafter with the ICH being used instead of a typical South Bridge.
Just trying to figure if the BIOS settings (being used for both OSs - even on separate HDD). has something to do with the prob..as XP utilizes APIC (not only ACPI) which allows for 8 more Interrupts (up from 15-23)...and so does your Mobo..Win98 does NOT.
lastly, although htis article primariliy discusses shutdown issues in 98.it talks quite a bit about device enumeration and the IRQ Routing table
I suggest you go through each BIOS screen and sub-screens , and jot down all the settings, BEFORE making changes to the BIOS. (gotta keep XP happy... Try to print it out if possible (if you have that option somewhere - possibly not while in the BIOS itself). I'm beginning to wonder if XP as Master and FAT32("?' - dunno - assuming your sharing files and stuff) has taken complete control.
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you got me hooked with this prob...yet I have no way to test it for ya.
after viewing the Readme.txt
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/5811/ENG/readme.txt
(section 9C. Installing the Windows* 98SE/Windows* Me INF Files
after OS Installation)
taken from / linked from
It seems they want you to remove alot of devices. Do you have Plug n Play BIOS or ACPI.?
If using an ACPI BIOS for 98, try and reinstall using only APM (the intel.inf readme shows you how to look in Device mangler....look here also
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Detect
I would boot into Safe Mode and remove ALL the devices listed (that are showing in Device manager)...Safe Mode allows you to actually see doubles/triples of same devices or other devices (such as codecs, etc)..nomally not viewable.
BTW are you up to date with the usual IE stuff??.I ask cause it has (from IE 5.0 and up) a different Inf installer and command (namely Advpack.dll or Advpck32.dll - called Active Setup and Advanced Inf Installation.
Keep messing with the New install on separate HDD (better for testing)...and update 98SE (SP) from MS first maybe...then try the Inf from Intel.
I wonder if disconnecting ALL other IDE devices and setting the 98 as Primary Master will make a difference in it acting appropriately. 98SE should have no prob using / running / supporting AGP directly, especially with that hardware on that mobo. Gotta remember general MoBo designs from the Intel 443BX/ZX (~98-99) was changed alot of ways soon thereafter with the ICH being used instead of a typical South Bridge.
Just trying to figure if the BIOS settings (being used for both OSs - even on separate HDD). has something to do with the prob..as XP utilizes APIC (not only ACPI) which allows for 8 more Interrupts (up from 15-23)...and so does your Mobo..Win98 does NOT.
lastly, although htis article primariliy discusses shutdown issues in 98.it talks quite a bit about device enumeration and the IRQ Routing table
I suggest you go through each BIOS screen and sub-screens , and jot down all the settings, BEFORE making changes to the BIOS. (gotta keep XP happy..
. Try to print it out if possible (if you have that option somewhere - possibly not while in the BIOS itself). I'm beginning to wonder if XP as Master and FAT32("?' - dunno - assuming your sharing files and stuff) has taken complete control.TT4U
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TekTippy4U
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btw - if your going to go in, and seriously get your hands dirty to resolve this issue at all costs...here's some possible overall useful info;
"How to use Registry Editor to identify an unknown PCI device"
"How to Disable PCI Bus IRQ Steering in Windows"
"Interrupt sharing on PCI-devices"
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"How to use Registry Editor to identify an unknown PCI device"
"How to Disable PCI Bus IRQ Steering in Windows"
"Interrupt sharing on PCI-devices"
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For any Intel drivers on the 875P chipset, this should be the only site you need:
Hope that does it!
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Hope that does it!
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Welll Cdoggs link is definitely newer (by date - over a year newer as a matter of fact)...However the Readme.txt is exactly the same (as far as the 98 SE installation procedure AFTER the OS is installed [part 9B]-- that's all I had time to check)...
cdoggs
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/7484/ENG/readme.txt
tt4u
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/5811/ENG/readme.txt
I must admit...cdoggs links give a newer version of the inf
(6.0.1.1002 - 5/7/2004) - (7484)
where as mine only
(5.00 - 2003) - (5811)
I was a bit hasty in my post, though I think you already had the latest.....maybe not...
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cdoggs
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/7484/ENG/readme.txt
tt4u
ftp://aiedownload.intel.com/df-support/5811/ENG/readme.txt
I must admit...cdoggs links give a newer version of the inf
(6.0.1.1002 - 5/7/2004) - (7484)
where as mine only
(5.00 - 2003) - (5811)
I was a bit hasty in my post, though I think you already had the latest.....maybe not...
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TT4U,
Thanks for checking the links. I didn't really have time to look at yours, and I didn't intend to overstep your suggestions in any way. As a matter of fact, if updated drivers/software from Intel didn't do the trick, I would recommend Mike comb over your posts
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Thanks for checking the links. I didn't really have time to look at yours, and I didn't intend to overstep your suggestions in any way. As a matter of fact, if updated drivers/software from Intel didn't do the trick, I would recommend Mike comb over your posts
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