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24 Hours a Day
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BillyRayPreachersSon
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She may only have been required to wear it during business hours, for example... In which case it would have read "8 hours a day".
I guess they could have said "all day", but then some picky person would have said "well, what about at night time"? Saying "24 hours a day" covers that base too.
Dan
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Would perhaps the expression 'continuously' have served better here?
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We were driving yesterday when the radio weather anchor said, "There is a chance that it might rain."
Actually, there is a chance that it WILL rain. Chance and might are unnecessarily redundant in this case. In fact, there is a 100% chance that it might rain every day! But there is a x% chance that it will rain on any given day.
Working with editors, however, starts to make you hyper aware but the fact is, I turned in many a paragraph with some interesting idioms and redundant phrases as well. When you turn in 70,000 words, you are bound to muck a few up.... okay, more than a few.
FYI: I am starting two new book projects. One is on business communications and I have been looking over this forum's post (among other sources) for tidbits and clues into confusing jargon and phrases.
Matthew Moran
Actually, there is a chance that it WILL rain. Chance and might are unnecessarily redundant in this case. In fact, there is a 100% chance that it might rain every day! But there is a x% chance that it will rain on any given day.
Working with editors, however, starts to make you hyper aware but the fact is, I turned in many a paragraph with some interesting idioms and redundant phrases as well. When you turn in 70,000 words, you are bound to muck a few up.... okay, more than a few.
FYI: I am starting two new book projects. One is on business communications and I have been looking over this forum's post (among other sources) for tidbits and clues into confusing jargon and phrases.
Matthew Moran
Matthew
One might (if one were a pedant) argue that unnecessarily redundant was unnecessarily redundant?
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True... I could argue that I placed the phrase for emphasis. There are times that redundancy creates a stronger idea but I can't actually claim that I had put that much forethought into it.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Musings: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Musings: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
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During the fall, we set our clocks back one whole hour. Aaah... freedom.
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By the way, how many men would choose to go to prison (rather than be "free") if it meant:
1. Get your full salary.
2. Go to the grocery store at will (there's beer there).
3. Watch TV all day, all night.
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By the way, how many men would choose to go to prison (rather than be "free") if it meant:
1. Get your full salary.
2. Go to the grocery store at will (there's beer there).
3. Watch TV all day, all night.
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A preposition is a word placed before a noun or pronoun to form a phrase modifying another word in the sentence.
- from A Writer's Reference, Diana Hacker
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
to hell - to being the preposition
with good intentions - with being the preposition
At one time there was a rule against ending a sentence with a preposition. However, that rule has long since been dropped in favor or clarity.
A claw hammer, not an ax, was the tool he murdered her with.
is preferable to
A claw hammer, not an ax, was the tool with which he murdered her.
- this morbid example is found in The Elements of Style, Strunk & White.
The first ends with a preposition but is clear and sounds less pretentious.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Musings: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
- from A Writer's Reference, Diana Hacker
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
to hell - to being the preposition
with good intentions - with being the preposition
At one time there was a rule against ending a sentence with a preposition. However, that rule has long since been dropped in favor or clarity.
A claw hammer, not an ax, was the tool he murdered her with.
is preferable to
A claw hammer, not an ax, was the tool with which he murdered her.
- this morbid example is found in The Elements of Style, Strunk & White.
The first ends with a preposition but is clear and sounds less pretentious.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Musings: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
It's bad that I know so little about the language I speak
a polish couple moved in next door and the lady of the house asked me to read their sons english homework. It was the most beautifully crafted thing I ever saw and then she said that he'ld split the infinitive
I couldn't have said where to save my life. I still couldn't
a polish couple moved in next door and the lady of the house asked me to read their sons english homework. It was the most beautifully crafted thing I ever saw and then she said that he'ld split the infinitive
I couldn't have said where to save my life. I still couldn't
Well, I mentioned two titles above that would help you understand that.
However, as a general rule, natural sounding language is very effective in most cases. Certainly there are rules to follow but even the most strict fall in the face of clarity and understanding.
A lot of writing is rigid and contrived. One simply way to assess your own writing is to read it out loud. Or have someone else read it to you. It tends to expose confusing writing or phrases that sound unnatural and out of place.
For instance, I would credit you with breaking up your thoughts by spaces - something that is often not done on discussion forums or in email. Long post, without a visual break is difficult on the eyes and mind.
Look up the titles above. They are well-organized and easy to read and use as reference books.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Musings: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
However, as a general rule, natural sounding language is very effective in most cases. Certainly there are rules to follow but even the most strict fall in the face of clarity and understanding.
A lot of writing is rigid and contrived. One simply way to assess your own writing is to read it out loud. Or have someone else read it to you. It tends to expose confusing writing or phrases that sound unnatural and out of place.
For instance, I would credit you with breaking up your thoughts by spaces - something that is often not done on discussion forums or in email. Long post, without a visual break is difficult on the eyes and mind.
Look up the titles above. They are well-organized and easy to read and use as reference books.
Matthew Moran
Read my career blog at: Musings: Todo esta bien.. Todo esta divertido (it's all good, it's all fun)
SilentAiche
Technical User
A long time ago I heard about a "contest" to see how many prepositions one could stack at the end of a sentence. The winner was something like this:
(child to parent at bedtime)
[blue]What did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of up here for?[/blue]
Tim
(child to parent at bedtime)
[blue]What did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of up here for?[/blue]
Tim
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CrystalStart
IS-IT--Management
I am enjoying mostly when someone correcting someone and then another person correcting a corrector, isn't it funny?
CajunCenturion
Programmer
You could also say, "He murdered her with a claw hammer, not an ax." This could lead into a discussion about active or passive voice, but that probably deserves its own thread.
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Back to the original question, I think the use of 24 hours a day is in response the perception of 'day', and it being ambiguous. To many, 'day' only refers to the daylight hours. To others, it refers to a 24-hour period. She must wear the anklet all day. Does she have to wear it at night? Yes, she has to wear it 24 hours a day.
I understand the claim that '24 hours a day' is a tautology because strictly speaking, it is. On the other hand, in the common vernacular, it's also a disambiguation.
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CajunCenturion
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To be precise, Chuchill said the following:
One of the primary reasons for not ending a sentence with a preposition is that it's too easy to neglect the object -- implied or stated -- for that preposition. In Mr. Churchill's sentence, the object of the preposition (impertinence) still exists, although it precedes the preposition. Even though the ordering is unusual, the grammar is correct. However, in the question "Where are you going to?", there is no object of the preposition; therefore, the question is grammatically incorrect. All prepositions must have objects, even if implied.
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He was not trying to illustrate the absurdity of the rule, but rather to illustrate that rigid adherence to the rule may be awkward.Churchill said:
One of the primary reasons for not ending a sentence with a preposition is that it's too easy to neglect the object -- implied or stated -- for that preposition. In Mr. Churchill's sentence, the object of the preposition (impertinence) still exists, although it precedes the preposition. Even though the ordering is unusual, the grammar is correct. However, in the question "Where are you going to?", there is no object of the preposition; therefore, the question is grammatically incorrect. All prepositions must have objects, even if implied.
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SkipVought
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The above stated..
"Where are you going to?" is not really a question, as long as Where is the place to which the person is going.
This may be though of in terms of "Who's on First," which is a statement of fact as opposed to a question.
Skip,
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CajunCenturion
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That's Hardyly what I was talking about SkipVought.
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