I recently created a catalogue using two pagemaker files; one for an english version and one for a french version (188MB and 8MB respectively) of the same book. One file is much larger than the other! This "catalogue" includes cover images of other books, which I have scanned. For the most part, the images are comparible in size for each side (eg. french image #1 is similar in size to english image #1). I am pretty sure that all graphics have been placed, not pasted, in each version. Anyone have an idea as to why the file sizes are so different?
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Hi,
Probably it is because when you placed a graphic in the large file, you have included it in the file. This means that the graphic makes part of the Pagemaker file and you don't need the original graphic anymore.
If you want to change that just go to the file>Links Manager and unlink the graphics. Do a 'save as' and now you're file will be much smaller
hope this helps
grillhouse
Probably it is because when you placed a graphic in the large file, you have included it in the file. This means that the graphic makes part of the Pagemaker file and you don't need the original graphic anymore.
If you want to change that just go to the file>Links Manager and unlink the graphics. Do a 'save as' and now you're file will be much smaller
hope this helps
grillhouse
Also, when saving make sure you have preferences set to "save smaller", not "save faster". More than likely grillhouse is correct, unless some of the images you scanned were scanned at different resolutions. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
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That seems to be it. There was a setting in the General Preferences defaulted to insert a copy of the image into the file, when placing. I am taking the images out, and re-placing them, making sure they are linked only, this time.
Thanks a bunch!!
Thanks a bunch!!
I'm not an expert by any means, but one thing to be carefull of when using linked files instead of placed ones, is that you dont delete the image from your hard drive.
If your also planning to send the pagemaker file to someone else for approval etc, your images obvioulsy need to be a part of the file and not externily linked.
Something , i hastened to add, caused me a bit of embarrasment a while ago lol
P.S Is there a spellchecker in PM'er ? lol
If your also planning to send the pagemaker file to someone else for approval etc, your images obvioulsy need to be a part of the file and not externily linked.
Something , i hastened to add, caused me a bit of embarrasment a while ago lol
P.S Is there a spellchecker in PM'er ? lol
dazlia
Including the files in a doument can bloat the file to the point that editing becomes slow. A good workflow will have you "save as", and check off the option to include all files needed for remote printing; this copies all graphics and included files to the folder in which your document is saved. This is a much preferable than including graphics. Including graphics will also make some doc sizes unmanageable, such as the 180 page catalog I made last year that required 7 CDs to fit all images and document files for the printer.
Your admonition of not deleting the files is a good one. A proper work-flow will ensure that you don't delete required files, however. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
Including the files in a doument can bloat the file to the point that editing becomes slow. A good workflow will have you "save as", and check off the option to include all files needed for remote printing; this copies all graphics and included files to the folder in which your document is saved. This is a much preferable than including graphics. Including graphics will also make some doc sizes unmanageable, such as the 180 page catalog I made last year that required 7 CDs to fit all images and document files for the printer.
Your admonition of not deleting the files is a good one. A proper work-flow will ensure that you don't delete required files, however. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
in PM7 I read you can Save As to the same name & it consolidates - I had all sorts of problems until I did that the many corrections have a history for them and by Save As you effectively resolve them. I find the same happens in Acrobat as well. It removes the rather useful history in Photoshop!
It is always good to Save As, and in your prefs, select Save Smaller rather than Save Faster. If you Save As rather than just saving, as cresby says, it removes alot of garbage and can prevent file corruption. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
I didn't know that if you did a 'save as' to the same file name, it consolidates the file. I have always changed the file name (usually by adding a digit) when doing the 'save as', believing that this was the only way to remove the bloat. I'll have to remember that, so that when a project is finally finished, I don't have to go in to Win Explorer and remove brochure2, brochure3, brochure4 etc.
Eggles...
Your way is probably safer in that you will always have a recent back-up copy in case of file corruption. Pagemaker files often become corrupt upon closing, and the only way you find out is when you go to open the doc and it is corrupt. But either way of 'saving as' will condense the file. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
Your way is probably safer in that you will always have a recent back-up copy in case of file corruption. Pagemaker files often become corrupt upon closing, and the only way you find out is when you go to open the doc and it is corrupt. But either way of 'saving as' will condense the file. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
Right click the image, and you can uncheck the option "include image" When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
viol8ion
you said in an earlier post...A good workflow will have you "save as", and check off the option to include all files needed for remote printing; this copies all graphics and included files to the folder in which your document is saved.
Can I please clarify what you mean by 'check off'.
Do you mean the check mark SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be in the little box?
Either way, I never knew quite what that checkbox was referring to. Do you mean if you (accidentally) place a graphic in a PM file but kept in a folder unrelated to the PM file (e.g. a logo you use often and keep in another folder) that if you check that box the graphic will be copied automatically from the remote folder to the folder in which you have saved the PM file? If so, that's an extremely useful piece of info to know. If not, I'm disappointed.
you said in an earlier post...A good workflow will have you "save as", and check off the option to include all files needed for remote printing; this copies all graphics and included files to the folder in which your document is saved.
Can I please clarify what you mean by 'check off'.
Do you mean the check mark SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be in the little box?
Either way, I never knew quite what that checkbox was referring to. Do you mean if you (accidentally) place a graphic in a PM file but kept in a folder unrelated to the PM file (e.g. a logo you use often and keep in another folder) that if you check that box the graphic will be copied automatically from the remote folder to the folder in which you have saved the PM file? If so, that's an extremely useful piece of info to know. If not, I'm disappointed.
Eggles
Sorry, that was a careless description on my part there. I should have said "select" the 'include all files' option. This copies all graphics and links files to the folder the PM doc resides in. It does NOT copy fonts there.
I found a nice little utility from bersoft.com called Copy Fonts. It allows you to scroll through your font list and view the fonts by the real name and copythem to a folder or disk. This is handy when you need to move a doc dfrom one system to another and need to make sure you have all fonts on both systems. Copyright warnings apply! When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
Sorry, that was a careless description on my part there. I should have said "select" the 'include all files' option. This copies all graphics and links files to the folder the PM doc resides in. It does NOT copy fonts there.
I found a nice little utility from bersoft.com called Copy Fonts. It allows you to scroll through your font list and view the fonts by the real name and copythem to a folder or disk. This is handy when you need to move a doc dfrom one system to another and need to make sure you have all fonts on both systems. Copyright warnings apply! When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
Not worried about fonts - but it is useful to know that if the box for 'include all files' is checked, it will copy all linked graphics files to the folder in which the PM document occurs. After 3 years of using PM, I should have known that.
>>After 3 years of using PM, I should have known that.
You learn something new every day if you are not careful! *smirk*
I learned the other day that hitting the Windows Key and E will open Explorer... nice shortcut. And I have been using Windows since vs 1! yep, there was a version 1, installed in Wang computers.. back in the day.
When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
You learn something new every day if you are not careful! *smirk*
I learned the other day that hitting the Windows Key and E will open Explorer... nice shortcut. And I have been using Windows since vs 1! yep, there was a version 1, installed in Wang computers.. back in the day.
When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
A cute story from afral. . . a customer on a PC embedded all the pix of girls and boys junior basketball teams for a high school. The file became so large she could not get it off her hard drive. She had to bring her computer in so we could plug it into our network in order to get it. She learned the real hard way of not embedding files but linking them. Let freedom ring!
You could have suggested to your user to right click on the images, under Link Options deselect the box that says "store in publication" and then "save as" the file which would have reduced the size and she could have then brought the file and images in on disks. When in doubt, deny all terms and defnitions.
A small point but I usually archive graphix and then forget what I called them and PM7 still doesn't seem to know about long file names so that when I have to reconstruct the links. It is messy - and yet give it half a clue and it finds all other files in the same folder if not down the same tree!
Moral - be consistent. Archive in the same foldernames.
Moral - be consistent. Archive in the same foldernames.
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