You can't do that, stoopid: Permissions 2

[jlockley]

I thought at least I was the/a administrator, but Vista won't let me delete odd files. Like the rest of Norton Uninstaller after removing it from the registry. Or the odd mp3 file, which I copied over from another drive.

I own it. I administer is. I run it.

How do I turn off user control? Please do help before I do something reprehensibly unecological with this beknighted desktop.

In the I hate Vista thread someone mentioned that Windows Defender can be silenced. Really? There is a Santa Claus? How, please, HOW?????

 

[schtek]

1. this is what it says in help and support
2. you will find turning off UAC in CONTROL PANEL, USER ACCOUNTS

User Account Control (UAC) can help you prevent unauthorized changes to your computer. It works by prompting you for permission when a task requires administrative rights, such as installing software or changing settings that affect other users.

We don't recommend turning User Account Control off. If you do turn it off, you should turn it back on as soon as possible.


Click Turn User Account Control on or off. If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.

Select the Use User Account Control (UAC) to help protect your computer check box to turn on UAC, or clear the check box to turn off UAC, and then click OK.




"Practice makes Perfect"
("la pratique rend parfait")
CPO rt'd RN

 

[jlockley]

Why, if I work alone, have fire wall and spyware control, etc? I understand that hackers and bots abound, but with no such annoying protection in any of my previous (or other current) computers, having sole access to the computer, nothing horrible happened. Is there something about Vista which necessitates this feature?

Thanks for the information. Much appreciated.

 

[linney]

Turn Windows Defender real-time protection on or off" is a Help and Support article, searchable via the Start Menu. There is always MsConfig in Start Run too.

Symantec uninstaller may not finish the job

http://windowssecrets.com/links/gkl.../?url=WindowsSecrets.com/issue/080207/?u=$P20

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HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP (Q308421)

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q308/4/21.asp

Error Message: "Access Is Denied" When You Try to Open NTFS File System Folders

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q823306#appliesto

 

[jlockley]

Just what I needed. Thank you both.

 

[jlockley]

Well, so much for that. I can't get rid of these things. In fact, I am listed as the administrator with ownership in the properties of the indelible files and folders. One shows system as the main owner and will not permit me to change it. (a recently extracted zip file now is one of them). I have not yet tried the safe mode approach, but that is for each file as they turn up.
I can hardly read the specific premissions, as they are greyed out, but it appears I have full power at least in theory.

 

[linney]

What does "Effective Permissions" tell you about your username access? The "Effective Permissions" is available via the Advanced button on the Security tab page.

Hard to delete files can sometimes be accessed and deleted if you can get out of the currently loaded Windows operating system environment, such as BartPE, DOS, Recovery Console (XP), etc. You could even try the Command Prompt that is accessible from Startup Repair.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/5c59f8c1-b0d1-4f1a-af55-74f3922f3f351033.mspx#EX

 

[jlockley]

I have not been able to go into safe mode. Start up repair is somewhere on the Acer prescribed path, and although I found it once, I haven't been able to recreate that moment. I do not have a disk, but I do have the Ultimate upgrade, and considering the fact that ALL vista products are on all Vista drives, I will see if that works.

I am kicking myself for not checking to see if the system was delivered with a disk. They used to be, but it's been so long since I bought off the shelf, I didn't realize.

I am considering installing dos and just doing that, if it works (why shouldn't it).

I'll have to check for effective permissions. Although I am listed as sole admin, I may not have been able to access them. If so, they are universal but were greyed out on the interface - ie, I could not change them.

While these files are annoying, and sometimes they are empty folders, the higher concern is how to get to the root of the issue. More info when I am at that desktop. You are a life saver, btw.

 

[linney]

I have not been able to go into safe mode".

I haven't read all you posts recently, but why can you not get into Safe Mode?

Is the F8 key not working?

F Lock Key.

http://mvps.org/jtsang/flock.html

Can you use MsConfig from Start/ Run and enter Safe Mode via a setting there (Boot/ Safe Boot), after the following reboot?

Startup Repair should be accessible from your Ultimate Upgrade DVD.

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/5c59f8c1-b0d1-4f1a-af55-74f3922f3f351033.mspx#EX

Perhaps when you get in to Safe Mode you will find the manufacturer's Startup Repair and Recovery Options, or maybe you have to use another "F" Key at bootup, also there may be some mention of the procedure in any manual supplied?

 

[jlockley]

On one expample, An empty folder used to unzip a download:
None.
The permissions entry for the file show full permissions, but the check boxes are grayed out, so permissions cannot be changed.

I have checked again and I am the only administrator, have full administrative rights, at least in theory.

In practice I was just denied access to the documents file using Coreldraw.

Pretty annoying.

 

[linney]

Is there any any Deny permission set in the Special Permissions check box? Are there any Inherited Permissions being passed down from further up the folder tree?

Does Coreldraw require access to other files such as an .ini or .dat in other folders such as C:/Windows before it can open a file?

 

[jlockley]

NO deny permissions. The top folder in this case would be the desktop. I can look when I am back at that computer, but since I can open others, it's doubtful. What I can't find, probably because it doesn't exist, is a central bank of users and permissions. (There is the user interface, but it's pretty limited.)

I don't know what Corel opens to get to its files. It's similar to Adobe Illustrator. I may have a thought on that one. When I installed it, I did it under my full name, and I suspect that this is being seen as a user separate from me. (Identity crisis of a sort, I guess.)

Thx. More later.

 

[schtek]

working at a schools myself i often come across programs that have permissions not granted or special permissions given that i need to change, i find that going to c:\program files\(the program you want)corel ?? then i right click that folder properties then select security and edit, record the settings of a user or group that i need to edit to allow me to change back o/c then give that user/group full permissions. are you able to do this to these folders your having trouble with ??? then delete them or alter them?


"Practice makes Perfect"
("la pratique rend parfait")
CPO rt'd RN

 

[jlockley]

This doesn't seem possible. First of all, I seem to have all permissions on the security tab but no effective permissions. The permissions check boxes are grayed out, second of all.

Corel itself it is not the problem. I can access it. What I cannot do is open an existing file from the Corel work space, specifically in My documents (or whatever it is called).

 

[linney]

To see the effective permissions it is necessary to type your username in the box titled "Group or Username" and then press the "Select" button. Is this what you are doing, otherwise all the boxes in there will be dimmed out?

Are you referring to "central bank" meaning the User or Groups? If so, right-click My Computer Icon, then click on Manage, and expand Local users and Groups, Groups.

Some things to check out.


PERMS COMPUTERNAME\USERNAME C:\*.* /S >PERMS.TXT

This Windows Resource Kit command will return the username permissions on all files in all subdirectories on the c:\ drive of the computername, and write it to a file called PERMS.TXT

Perms may only work on Server Networked machines???

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...69-57FF-4AE7-96EE-B18C4790CFFD&displaylang=en

Creating User and Group Reports in Windows

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q137848

Managing Authorization and Access Control

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c17621675.mspx

 

[schtek]

The way you have just explained it, i'm wondering if the file that your trying to open is corrupt. Can you open a new document and then save it to the same folder that you are having problems with. then go to that folder does the saved file icon look the same as the file icon document that you are trying to open? are you able to open the new document from that folder by double clicking it...


"Practice makes Perfect"
("la pratique rend parfait")
CPO rt'd RN

 

[jlockley]

I'll try it all tomorrow. I turned on User Acct management and was able to delete at least one. That may be part of the issue. I will try the rest tomorrow when I am not on deadline for our web site. Thanks.

 

[ASG0856]

I to had problems deleting some files and the like when I converted to vista. Then I discovered right-clicking on Explorer, then choosing 'run as administrator' Solved all sorts of problems. It appears that just because your profile is set up as administrator does not mean you have full admin rights.

 

[smah]

One of the changes to the security model with Windows Vista is the concept of least privilege. In short, what this means is that even a user with administrative capabilities belongs to 2 groups - the administrator group and the regular user group. With Vista, the 'least privilege' security scenario means that everything runs as a regular user. If the application/program/utility requires elevated credentials, then the UAC prompt (and secure desktop) is presented to the user. The UAC elevation prompt is not available for the command shell, so hence the reason for the 'run as administrator' option.

 

[firewolfrl]

Unlock the supersecret Administrator account for vista

http://www.pctipsbox.com/unlock-the-supersecret-administrator-account-for-vista/