York Sneak Thief

[CRilliterate]

Do not have time to research but if anyone heard about New York Sneak Thief, which adds syllables after consonants.



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[CajunCenturion]

Could you at least a little background?

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[CRilliterate]

CC,
the question was asked:Is there any equivalent to verlan in English?
and the answer was:
New York Sneak Thief, which adds syllables after consonants.

I thought everyone but me knows what those people are talking about. And as conversation went further it became more difficult because I had no idea what verlan was...
But I am still not researching yet.
Thanks




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[CRilliterate]

Verlan is a form of slang along the same lines as pig latin. In verlan, the syllables of the French word are reversed. For example, verlan is actually the word l'envers with the syllables inverted.



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[Trevoke]

CRilliterate -- actually, verlan is not just 'slang' anymore, it's now truly a dialect (or even a language) spoken in the ghetto. The rules for word creation are ... hmm.. Based on the french words, but that's it.

flic (=cop) --> keuf
femme (=woman) --> meuf
vas-y (='come on!') --> zy-va

And so on. It's a fascinating thing to study.

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[CRilliterate]

French ghetto?

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[Trevoke]

Would you rather I use "poor suburban neighborhood" ?

I can push it farther and tag "... inhabited mostly by non-white immigrants" (aka middle-easterns and africans) if you want.

I guess the concept of a ghetto feels out of place as soon as it's not a reference to an american idea? I should have thought about that. Sorry.

"That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX."
"Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."
-- Neal Stephenson, "Cryptonomicon"

 

[CRilliterate]

I always thought about ghetto word as typical american word. This is why I asked.
It does strangely feels out of place as soon as it's not a reference to an american idea, you are 100% correct.
But it was not a what thread was about to be about...hmmm...how well said, no?

So the question was do we have it in English? I would be so amazed if my kid was speaking backwards, but it does require skills, thgir?
And now I see some of it is non pronounseable...you can't say 'thgir'- no one will get it. So are there words To use and NOT TO use in this 'language'?

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[Trevoke]

English would be a difficult language for a similar concept, because most commonly used words are one syllable.

Maybe -> be-may
ghost -> osteugg
money -> ney-mo

It's impractical, because most words have monosyllabic shortcuts already.
Money -> Cash
Woman -> B..., etc etc
Drugs, man, guns, cops, ... You see? It's very hard to disguise.

The pig-latin, in fact, is probably the best equivalent there is (I can't understand pig latin at all, it's really a new language because of its odd word-creation rules).

"That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX."
"Well, that's something," Avi says. "Normally those two are mutually exclusive."
-- Neal Stephenson, "Cryptonomicon"

 

[TheRambler]

This thread reminds me of Lunfardo:

Lunfardo was a colorful, slangy argot of the Spanish language which developed at the end of the 19th century and beginning of the 20th century in the lower classes in and around Buenos Aires.

Many Lunfardo expressions have entered into the popular language and have become an integral part of the Spanish spoken in Argentina and Uruguay. A few have been recognized even by the Real Academia Española. Lunfardo is frequently found in the lyrics of tangos, supplying nuances and double-entendres with overtones of sex, drugs, and the criminal underworld.

Many Lunfardo words also reverse the syllables (intentional metathesis), in what is called vesre, a manner of speaking still used today colloquially.

For English ways to make words unclear, see:
More Spoonerisms
thread1256-897445

Obfuscated Language
thread1256-897867

 

[CRilliterate]

I just looked into both threads and only one scream of pain went through my mind WHO NEEDS IT??? lol
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For English ways to make words unclear, see:
More Spoonerisms
thread1256-897445

Obfuscated Language
thread1256-897867

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[PaulTEG]

http://www.d-a-l.com/help/archive/index.php/t-30668.html

A spoonerific delight ;-)

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