Would this work and is it ok to increase PageRank 2

[1DMF]

is there anything wrong, if I register a 1,000 domains and create genuine, legitimate home pages for them that contain a link on all of them to the site i'm trying to increase page rank for.

How would Google know that I owned all these sites? if they are genuine individual domains, with a genuine home page and a normal link, there is nothing to stop me doing this is there?


"In complete darkness we are all the same, only our knowledge and wisdom separates us, don't let your eyes deceive you.

 

[ChrisHunt]

Rather than mucking around creating 1000 worthless domains, why not spend that time and energy working on the site you're supposed to be promoting?

You can either try to pull tricks to con Google into thinking a rubbish site is a good one, or build a good one. The problem with the first approach is that when the algorithms change - which they do all the time - much of your work becomes wasted.

Who wants to build a rubbish site anyway?

-- Chris Hunt
Webmaster & Tragedian
Extra Connections Ltd

 

[ChrisHirst]

There is one rather large flaw in your very old, been done hundreds of times before, cunning plan.
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And that is. For a page to pass on PageRank it has to have some of it's own to start with.

So now you have 1000 pages/sites that you have to get links for.

BTW.
Google are a registrar so have access to ALL whois information.
And no matter how smart you think you are in hiding the intent behind it, 1000 sites will have some common footprint.


Chris.

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[MarkZK]

I'd have thought even registering the cheapest TLDS a 1,000 times would still cost more than using google Adwords.

 

[1DMF]

so the answer is you can do it and it would be hard for google to tell.

It's easy enough to get some page rank without any SEO so passing it on isn't an issue either.

I'm concernd about your comments on

instead of creating a rubbish site and trying to promote it

I have not and find that insulting.

I have a very good site, I am meerly exploring all the ways I can increase my ranking, understanding what's good , what's bad, what works, what doesn't.

I use google adwords and that is not cheaper than buying a load of domains, nowhere near, I can buy domains for pennies, yet some of the keywords we want are costing £5.00+ per click! - no contest, it's obvious to me which is the cheaper option!

hmmm, I already own a tonne of domains not being used, so I might have a tinker and see if it's worth buying any more.

Thanks,
1DMF



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[ChrisHirst]

I am meerly exploring all the ways I can increase my ranking, understanding what's good , what's bad, what works, what doesn't

Creating your own network of interlinked sites will eventually show some boost to your ranking. However in the meanwhile, it's a 1000 sites to host and going down this route is where you will need up to 500 different host on disparate IPs, 1000 sites to build links for, at least 10,000 pages to create content for and wait the 9 to 12 months for them to have any "GoogleValue" to pass on.
Then just when you think your cunning plan is working, Google go and throw a spanner in the works and ban the entire network main site included

The people who use this kind of technique are not interested in maintaining their sites for the long haul and not interested in building a brand. Their method is a "crash & burn" technique.
They have many, many, networks in various stages of "promotion" and when one is "burned" by the SEs they move on to the next.
Continuity of service to customers and brand loyalty is not something that concerns them, the bottom line is their only concern.




Chris.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

[1DMF]

I can see that there is implications on the amount of work involved to achieve this.

I take it the genuine other sites which I webmaster, won't be hurt by me putting a link from them to the site i'm trying to promote will it?

You see where does it become bad practice or manipulating the system and when is it simply utilising the resources at your disposal.

So let me put it another way, let's say I am webmaster for 1,000 genuine sites, with genuine content, offering genuine services, for genuine visitors.

now I have at my disposal the resource to add a link on all these sites to a specific site of my choice.

I'm not fooling anyone, I've not created these sites especially to promote a site and these are not SEO manipulation pages or holding sites.

I just happen, due to my job/situation, have at my disposal access to 1,000 websites and the ability to utilise those resources.

Now how is that bad practice, SEO mal-practice or anything else?

There is no way google could class that as a breach of anything, I just happen to be in the lucky position to have at my disposal many domains which I can utilise and add reciprical links to.

Can sopmeone explain why or how this can be conceived as bad, wrong, or SEO abuse?

"In complete darkness we are all the same, only our knowledge and wisdom separates us, don't let your eyes deceive you.

 

[ChrisHirst]

The simple fact is you are proposing to do something purely for Search Engines, and that is always going to be the wrong way to approach it.

It will come back and haunt you at some later date and it will never have the effect you are expecting it to.

I just happen, due to my job/situation, have at my disposal access to 1,000 websites and the ability to utilise those resources.
Now how is that bad practice, SEO mal-practice or anything else?

It's not, provided you have permission to do that from site owner (if you are the designer/SEO say).
But it probably won't have the effect you hope for. External sitewide links don't have anything like the weight they used to, so the overall effect would be low.

Make them into reciprocal links and you have just upped the chances of being penalised dramatically.



Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Woo Hoo! the cobblers kids get new shoes.
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So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

[1DMF]

So reciprical links is what gives you pageranking, but using reciprical links gets you penalised, how does that work?

So is there nothing else I can do?

I've optomised the site, I've used symantec, valid X/HTML & CSS, NO JS (or what little there is degrades no problem!).

I've created target pages relative to specific products with adword groups targeting specific keywords whioch link to the product specific pages.

The only thing I don't have is reciprical links and your saying that if I add links from my other websites to this on e it won't make any difference and infact is likely to damage my site.

So what else can I do? What else is there and how can I possibly compete with the other competitors in the market when we cannot afford the marketing budget and CPC the keywords we want are demanding.

I seem to be at a stalemate and don't know what else to do, which is why i'm comming up with these other ideas, I've run out of options!

"In complete darkness we are all the same, only our knowledge and wisdom separates us, don't let your eyes deceive you.

 

[ChrisHirst]

So reciprical links is what gives you pageranking

Nope anylinks to a page give that page PR and the Anchor Text of the links assist in the SERP ranking of a page for that term.
At no stage for Google do numbers of links per se help with ranking (unlike Yahoo)

but using reciprical links gets you penalised, how does that work

Nope, linking to what are euphimistically termed "bad neighbourghoods" will get sites/pages penalised. But reciprocal links schemes can quickly become "bad neighbourghoods"

So, if you only ever get links from sites/pages that you consider good for real traffic, and only link to sites/pages that you are happy to recommend to your visitors, you will find that it will do more good than many thousands of easy to get reciprocal links from all and sundry.



Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?
Woo Hoo! the cobblers kids get new shoes.
People Counting Systems

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

 

[1DMF]

So back to the original plan but on a smaller scale then.

Just add a link on all my genuine websites to the site i'm trying to promote and it will help.

as long as I don't go OTT and as long as these sites aren't in the 'bad neighbourhood', it should be ok.

thanks for the info.



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[MightyJayDog]

Why don't you tell us what site you are wanting to get more pagerank to and maybe we can give you some tips to just make your current site better rather than spinning your wheels on 1000 different sites.

 

[1DMF]

sure , I'm open to suggestions, but i'm unsure how I can improve my generic listing from position 3 in google for certain keywords.

And it is impossible to rank for every keyword desired.

I was coming to the conclusion that the missing link in my SEO campaign for this current site was reciprical links, is this not the case?

http://www.independentmortgagenetwork.co.uk

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[BabyJeffy]

Personally I find this kind of thread very useful. I'm not interested in trawling the many SEO forums and specialist sites (I leave that to those that do SEO for a living) along with all the other stuff I'm supposed to be doing, so it's good to have this open discussion providing explainations and discourse on SEO.

When an exec in your company approaches you and asks why they aren't "top of google" when they have "heard" that it's easy to do so by getting links from other sites... it's good to have this kind of thread to refer to.

So thanks for posing the question, and thanks to the MVPs for putting forward constructive answers (yet again).


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[1DMF]

TT on the whole is extremely helpfull, i couldn't do my job without it. Especially when I'm tasked to do things with no training or previous experience and have to fumble my way in the dark (hmm that's normally fun isn't it?)


I've been asking the same question on highrankings.com and have been told there is nothing wrong with the site and have done well to get where I am for certain keywords, but I am in an extremely competetive market with huge marketing budgets, and will find it hard to compete with the big boys.

Have I really done all I can?


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