Wireless network sharing problem 1

[MarcLodge]

Hi All,
I have 2 PCs both running XP Home. I also have an ADSL connection which is plugged in, via a USB modem to one of the machines. Recently, I bought a Belkin ADSL modem with wireless router, and a Belkin wireless card.

I have install the router and plugged the ADSL lead into it, connected one of the machines via an Ethernet cable to the relevant socket at the back of the router, and installed the wireless card in the other machine. So far, so good, as both machines can access the net via the router/modem at the same time.

I have used the network set up wizrd in XP to add each machine to the network and can see each machine in network connections, but when I click on the other machine, it comes back with a security sharing violation.

I'm obviously missing one last step, but it's beyond me at the moment.

Any ideas?

Marc

 

[codecref]

did you enable guest account for sharing on your XP machine?

 

[MarcLodge]

I've checked that the Internet firewall is turned off (not enabled) and I've right clicked on various drives to bring up the sharing menu and allowed that dialogue to complete, but still can't get it too work.

I'm assuming that what I'm doing is perfectly OK ie. connecting to the box via both Ethernet and Wireless. I certainly can't think of a reason why it shouldn't work, and it saves me from having to buy another wireless card. That said, the network connection on them is different as one show a wireless network, and the other 3 networks (2 adaptors and a LAN) which i've bridged together.

So annoying....!

 

[MarcLodge]

How does one enable guest sharing by the way, as I'll certainly try this?

 

[codecref]

there's two way,
First way:
you rightclick on any folder or drive and goto SHARING tab, there's a link there says I DO UNDERSTAND AND ENABLE SHARING, by clicking on that link guest account must be enabled but if it doesn't there's another way to do it

Second way:
goto Control Panel > Adminsitrative Tools > Computer Management
then in SYSTEM TOOLS > LOCAL USERS AND GROUP > USERS
you should find Guest account which will have a red circle on its icon (if its disabled).
right click on guest and click on properties and uncheck this parameter ACCOUNT IS DISABLED

Hope it helps
Seyed

 

[MarcLodge]

I still can't get this worked out. I've right clicked on my E: drive and gone through the sharing bit. I've also made sure my printer is set up for sharing.

Still no joy.

From the computer which is connected via an Ethernet cable, I can see the other machine, by clicking on My Network Places-->Entire Network-->Microsoft Windows Network-->Mshome........ but when I click on the other computer (connected wirelessly) I get an error saying:

"ABC123 is not accessible.You might not have permissions to use this network resoure. Contact the adminstrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions.

The network path was not found."

I've used XP to install a home network on both machines but to no avail. The only thing that strikes me is that I haven't explicitly set any encryption type details for the wireless card/machine. If the router is expecting some sort of security which the card is not providing, could this be the problem.

(ok, I'm clutching at straws, but I've no hair left to tear out!)

Marc

 

[codecref]

as your error says that this is ACCESS REJECTION and not a comminucation error, try the second way I told you and see if it works.

 

[Pyg]

Are both hard drives formatted with the same file system?

NTFS can access FAT32 drives.
FAT32 canNOT access NTFS drives.

 

[MarcLodge]

I've had a go at the 2nd method mentioned in codecref's post, but when I go to Control Panel-->Adminsitrative Tools-->Computer Management-->SYSTEM TOOLS there is no LOCAL USERS AND GROUP. There is a folder called 'Shared Folders' which when I click on it shows other folders, ones of them being 'Shares' which appears to contain the shared folders of each particular machine. When I say each particular machine, I mean that machine A can see machine A's folders and machine B can see machine B's folders.

Anybody got any ideas?

 

[bcastner]

Pyg,

Any network access is "blind" to whether the filestore is FAT32 or NTFS.

It does not matter what the filestore is on the share client.

 

[bcastner]

MarcLodge:

A checklist:

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/sharing/xp/filesharing.htm

Be sure you have the native firewall (ICF) disabled:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=283673

 

[MarcLodge]

Hi bcastner,
I followed this up when you kindly answered the thread I posted on the XP forum. According to the Microsoft link I should have an advanced tab when I right click on the any network connection, which I haven't got.

On the subject of network connections, I've got 3. Two, '1394 Net Adapters' and one 'Local Area Connection'. I've also got a Network Bridge, which contains all of these 3.

When I click on the Network Bridge, or the Local Area Connection, I can get up an Authentication tab, but not anything to do with an ICF. This Authentication tab has IEEE 802.1x enabled and set to 'smart card or other certificate. It also has 'Authenticate as computer when computer information is available' checked, but not 'Authenticate as guest when user or computer information is unavailable'.

I'm trying to give as much information as possible, sorry if it's too long and boring.

Marc

 

[bcastner]

The 1394 adapters, and the Network bridge, are killers. Until they are removed or disabled, your normal networking will not work.

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;823305&Product=winxp

 

[MarcLodge]

Oh Great!! So I follow the 'wizard' and it mucks the system up! Grrrr!!!

Ok, I've removed the Network Bridge and also the two 1394 adaptors, but..... the 1394 adaptors re-appeared at next boot, called 1394 connection 3 and 1394 connection 4. I'll leave it for the time being, as the other machine is in my daughters bedroom, and if I go in there (it's a little past midnight) and start fiddling about with it and wake her up, my wife WILL kill me.

Tomorrow's another day, I'll report back ......

Thanks for all your help bcastner.

 

[bcastner]

Usually removing the bridge is sufficient. In the alternative, use Device Manager to disable (not uninstall) the 1394 adapters.

 

[codecref]

sorry dude but maybe XP Home does not have user monitoring in that way but I think you must have something called USER ACCOUNTS in CONTROL PANEL so give it a try and see if you can enable GUEST account there.

 

[MarcLodge]

Finally got it working, and it was stupidity on my part, or maybe just lack of thinking. I had the original machine set up with Zone Alarm, and had not uninistalled it. The minute I did, bingo!

So if anybody stupid (that's me) ever asks again, check for firewalls!!

Thanks for all your help anyway.

Marc

 

[bcastner]

Marc,

A good point, but that was your second issue, not the primary one. As the MS KB article mentioned earlier explains, you would not have your local LAN available as long as the 1394 bridge was active.

Glad you got it all sorted.

Bill Castner