Why JSP over ASP

[Dynapen]

I am intentionally asking this in a JSP forum. I am a ASP programmer with 4 years experience. But the new project I am working on, someone has decided to do the new site in JSP. So this is what I am trying to figure out. What does JSP give me over ASP.

This site will be on a Windows platform, and I am 99.999% sure that it will never move from windows. Our customer doesn't like going to Linux/Solaris/etc... becuase they don't feel that they can get the support.

The biggest pro I am finding for Java is that it's platform independent, but with that not being a issue, when why switch from the current ASP program to JSP as opposed to leaving it ASP or even going to ASP.Net(which is supposed to be faster than both according to Microsoft and some independent tests I have seen)?

Can someone give me a good explanation for this, because I am just not seeing it.

The money's gone, the brain is shot.....but the liquor we still got.

 

[palbano]

Well the difference between JSP and ASP is huge. Using a real development envronment (API) and language, Java, vs. a scripting engine and script language is a night and day difference.

What about .NET? That's a good question. i have not done any .NET dev. yet but from everything i understand about it it should be actually a step ahead of Java in terms of features.

You really need to ask this question of those that made the descision i think. There could be other considerations such as the number of experienced developers for Java vs. .NET. or perhaps they have their eye on a specific J2EE app. server that they desire to use?

The bottom line is that there is no generic answer to that question.

Hope this helps
-pete

 

[Dynapen]

So let me ask this. Given a few key pieces that I can't change, what would the general public recommend.

DB Platform will be Oracle9i.
Developement team: 3 ASP, 2 Java
Platform: Windows


Add to that a exremely short development cycle: 60 days

If you had this info and had to choose between ASP and JSP, which way would you go? Becuase the people making the decisions here won't tell me why they made the ones they did.

The money's gone, the brain is shot.....but the liquor we still got.

 

[palbano]

Wow, without knowing all the details of the project scope and requirements that is an impossible question to answer.

>> Add to that a exremely short development cycle: 60 days

Hopefully that 60 days was derived from an experienced developers estimite. If so, then that (those) people must have thier reasons for both the time frame and the platform choice. Furthermore they should be able to mentor the ASP developers in JSP/Java. My best advice is not to resist. Java is a great language to learn for many reasons, have fun with it!

If not, then the time frame is meaningless.

 

[Dynapen]

The customer is the one insisting on the time frame, not the developers. In fact the project lead has the same learing curve on Java that I do. But we have estimated closer to 6 months to complete project and be ready for testing, but agreed to 60days.

I don't have a problem with learning Java, but is it feasible try to learn Java, Oracle J2EE suite (9iAS, Toplink, OID, SSO, Portal)and do all the development for a 6-9 month project in 60 days. Am i nuts thinking that this is a stupid way to do things. The money's gone, the brain is shot.....but the liquor we still got.

 

[palbano]

>> Am i nuts thinking that this is a stupid way to do
>> things.

of course it's "stupid" however it is the standard in corporate america.... umm that was redundant wasn't it.

for more insight on the global business lunacy epidemic see

http://www.dilbert.com

-pete

 

[Dynapen]

So do you think I am justified in voice my concerns/complaints to my boss? Everyone else on the team seems to be willing to just shut-up and take it.

If you were in this situation, would you voice those concerns? The money's gone, the brain is shot.....but the liquor we still got.

 

[palbano]

Dynapen,

>> If you were in this situation, would you voice those
>> concerns?

Well I’m not so I feel it would be completely inappropriate for me to answer that question. I’m sorry I can’t offer you more than that.

-pete

 

[Dynapen]

I understand, and I appreciate your input so far The money's gone, the brain is shot.....but the liquor we still got.