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What should I earn ?
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dwarfthrower
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Depends on where you live... Down-under we have an organisation called apesma (Association of Professional Engineers, Scientists and Managers, Australia) That produces a salary survey each year giving detailed information about salaries across the varying levels of IT professionals
There is a link there which explains the definitions of each level.
A lot of the IT recruiting companies publish similar information, but I find that the numbers don't carry quite the air of authority coming from a recruitment agency as they do from a national organisation.
I guess this is only useful to you if you happen to live here in god's-own but, regardless of which country you live in, searching google for 'salary survey "your country"' should yeild some results.
There is a link there which explains the definitions of each level.
A lot of the IT recruiting companies publish similar information, but I find that the numbers don't carry quite the air of authority coming from a recruitment agency as they do from a national organisation.
I guess this is only useful to you if you happen to live here in god's-own but, regardless of which country you live in, searching google for 'salary survey "your country"' should yeild some results.
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Recce,
I would take a look at job ads for posts in your area with experience, qualifications etc similar to yours and see what they are paying, and how this compares to your salary.
Remember to include fringe benefits though: paid training, non contributory pension schemes, private health insurance etc although you don't see the money for it on your wage slip, they do cost the employer money and are therefore worth considering in the whole context of things.
John
I would take a look at job ads for posts in your area with experience, qualifications etc similar to yours and see what they are paying, and how this compares to your salary.
Remember to include fringe benefits though: paid training, non contributory pension schemes, private health insurance etc although you don't see the money for it on your wage slip, they do cost the employer money and are therefore worth considering in the whole context of things.
John
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Hi John
Thanks, yip, that is a good idea because it is hard to compare suggestions on the forum if u are not from the same country. Especialy if you are not from down-under or what do I say dwarfthrower.....![[lol]](/data/assets/smilies/lol.gif "[lol] [lol]")
just kidding.Thanks for all the suggestions and input guys...![[thumbsup2]](/data/assets/smilies/thumbsup2.gif "[thumbsup2] [thumbsup2]")
Thanks, yip, that is a good idea because it is hard to compare suggestions on the forum if u are not from the same country. Especialy if you are not from down-under or what do I say dwarfthrower.....
just kidding.Thanks for all the suggestions and input guys...It's hard to determine what a BI developer should make. A number of items should be considered.
1) The BI Technology your work in. Hyperion, Cognos,
Business Objects.
2) Data volumes, and Data types. BI is starting to deal
with just more than Corporate FInances and Sales and
Marketing. More companies are looking at BI for
Resource Managment and Process Control.
3) In the U.S. obviously what part of the country you live
in has an affect.
4) Local Talent pool. If there is a large pool reasonably
close companies may not see the value an individual
brings.
5) How much of the Business Intelligence process is the
person responsible for or knowledgeable in. Someone who
just understands cube creation or creation of end user
reports may not be seen as valuable as someone who
knows the BI Lifecycle .
The sad fact is that many people in business don't understand what is really invloved in establishing an effective BI solution. They figure you just process a cube and it magically works. They fail to see or understand the amount of development, and the skills required for a proper BI solution.
Unfortunately in our world of instant access and gratification the understanding of What and How real BI Implementations are is becoming less understood by companies. More decision makers think it should be as simple as filling out a form and press go. SD companies are starting to see that BI is a growing market and in a rush to get into the market they develop BI related applications that they convince managment will make a BI implementation as easy as installing MS office.
Unfortunately the best paying BI jobs are in the Consulting arena. For some reason a company will pay 2-4 times as much for consulting as they will for employees. I know companies that pay bill rates of 100-300 plus expenses but will only pay 45-80K for in house talent that is just as knowledgable and skilled as the consultants.
"Shoot Me! Shoot Me NOW!!!"
- Daffy Duck
1) The BI Technology your work in. Hyperion, Cognos,
Business Objects.
2) Data volumes, and Data types. BI is starting to deal
with just more than Corporate FInances and Sales and
Marketing. More companies are looking at BI for
Resource Managment and Process Control.
3) In the U.S. obviously what part of the country you live
in has an affect.
4) Local Talent pool. If there is a large pool reasonably
close companies may not see the value an individual
brings.
5) How much of the Business Intelligence process is the
person responsible for or knowledgeable in. Someone who
just understands cube creation or creation of end user
reports may not be seen as valuable as someone who
knows the BI Lifecycle .
The sad fact is that many people in business don't understand what is really invloved in establishing an effective BI solution. They figure you just process a cube and it magically works. They fail to see or understand the amount of development, and the skills required for a proper BI solution.
Unfortunately in our world of instant access and gratification the understanding of What and How real BI Implementations are is becoming less understood by companies. More decision makers think it should be as simple as filling out a form and press go. SD companies are starting to see that BI is a growing market and in a rush to get into the market they develop BI related applications that they convince managment will make a BI implementation as easy as installing MS office.
Unfortunately the best paying BI jobs are in the Consulting arena. For some reason a company will pay 2-4 times as much for consulting as they will for employees. I know companies that pay bill rates of 100-300 plus expenses but will only pay 45-80K for in house talent that is just as knowledgable and skilled as the consultants.
"Shoot Me! Shoot Me NOW!!!"
- Daffy Duck
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Unfortunately the best paying BI jobs are in the Consulting arena. For some reason a company will pay 2-4 times as much for consulting as they will for employees. I know companies that pay bill rates of 100-300 plus expenses but will only pay 45-80K for in house talent that is just as knowledgable and skilled as the consultants.
But they don't have to pay the consultants any benefits - like health insurance, etc. The contuntant (or the firm he/she works for) is responsible for that. I'm sure in some cases it'a actually cheaper overall to pay the consultant the going rate than to hire them.
OTOH, sometimes you can't find the required skills in someone looking for a full-time job - but a consultant will have those skills, and the company has no choice.
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for here you have been, and there you will always long to return."
--Leonardo da Vinci
But they don't have to pay the consultants any benefits - like health insurance, etc. The contuntant (or the firm he/she works for) is responsible for that. I'm sure in some cases it'a actually cheaper overall to pay the consultant the going rate than to hire them.
OTOH, sometimes you can't find the required skills in someone looking for a full-time job - but a consultant will have those skills, and the company has no choice.
"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth with your eyes turned skyward, for here you have been, and there you will always long to return."
--Leonardo da Vinci
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