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What Happens in Vagueness Stays in Vagueness 3

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MadMichael

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This showed up in my inbox today:

CLARK WHELTON
What Happens in Vagueness Stays in Vagueness
The decline and fall of American English, and stuff
I recently watched a television program in which a woman described a baby squirrel that she had found in her yard. “And he was like, you know, ‘Helloooo, what are you looking at?’ and stuff, and I’m like, you know, ‘Can I, like, pick you up?,’ and he goes, like, ‘Brrrp brrrp brrrp,’ and I’m like, you know, ‘Whoa, that is so wow!’ ” She rambled on, speaking in self-quotations, sound effects, and other vocabulary substitutes, punctuating her sentences with facial tics and lateral eye shifts. All the while, however, she never said anything specific about her encounter with the squirrel.
Uh-oh. It was a classic case of Vagueness, the linguistic virus that infected spoken language in the late twentieth century. Squirrel Woman sounded like a high school junior, but she appeared to be in her mid-forties, old enough to have been an early carrier of the contagion. She might even have been a college intern in the days when Vagueness emerged from the shadows of slang and mounted an all-out assault on American English.
My acquaintance with Vagueness began in the 1980s, that distant decade when Edward I. Koch was mayor of New York and I was writing his speeches. The mayor’s speechwriting staff was small, and I welcomed the chance to hire an intern. Applications arrived from NYU, Columbia, Pace, and the senior colleges of the City University of New York. I interviewed four or five candidates and was happily surprised. The students were articulate and well informed on civic affairs. Their writing samples were excellent. The young woman whom I selected was easy to train and a pleasure to work with. Everything went so well that I hired interns at every opportunity.
Then came 1985.
The first applicant was a young man from NYU. During the interview, he spiked his replies so heavily with “like” that I mentioned his frequent use of the word. He seemed confused by my comment and replied, “Well . . . like . . . yeah.” Now, nobody likes a grammar prig. All’s fair in love and language, and the American lingo is in constant motion. “You should,” for example, has been replaced by “you need to.” “No” has faded into “not really.” “I said” is now “I went.” As for “you’re welcome,” that’s long since become “no problem.” Even nasal passages are affected by fashion. Quack-talking, the rasping tones preferred by many young women today, used to be considered a misfortune.
In 1985, I thought of “like” as a trite survivor of the hippie sixties. By itself, a little slang would not have disqualified the junior from NYU. But I was surprised to hear antique argot from a communications major looking for work in a speechwriting office, where job applicants would normally showcase their language skills. I was even more surprised when the next three candidates also laced their conversation with “like.” Most troubling was a puzzling drop in the quality of their writing samples. It took six tries, but eventually I found a student every bit as good as his predecessors. Then came 1986.
As the interviews proceeded, it grew obvious that “like” had strengthened its grip on intern syntax. And something new had been added: “You know” had replaced “Ummm . . .” as the sentence filler of choice. The candidates seemed to be evading the chore of beginning new thoughts. They spoke in run-on sentences, which they padded by adding “and stuff” at the end. Their writing samples were terrible. It took eight tries to find a promising intern. In the spring of 1987 came the all-interrogative interview. I asked a candidate where she went to school.
“Columbia?” she replied. Or asked.
“And you’re majoring in . . .”
“English?”
All her answers sounded like questions. Several other students did the same thing, ending declarative sentences with an interrogative rise. Something odd was happening. Was it guerrilla grammar? Had college kids fallen under the spell of some mad guru of verbal chaos? I began taking notes and mailed a letter to William Safire at the New York Times, urging him to do a column on the devolution of coherent speech. Undergraduates, I said, seemed to be shifting the burden of communication from speaker to listener. Ambiguity, evasion, and body language, such as air quotes—using fingers as quotation marks to indicate clichés—were transforming college English into a coded sign language in which speakers worked hard to avoid saying anything definite. I called it Vagueness.
By autumn 1987, the job interviews revealed that “like” was no longer a mere slang usage. It had mutated from hip preposition into the verbal milfoil that still clogs spoken English today. Vagueness was on the march. Double-clutching (“What I said was, I said . . .”) sprang into the arena. Playbacks, in which a speaker re-creates past events by narrating both sides of a conversation (“So I’m like, ‘Want to, like, see a movie?’ And he goes, ‘No way.’ And I go . . .”), made their entrance. I was baffled by what seemed to be a reversion to the idioms of childhood. And yet intern candidates were not hesitant or uncomfortable about speaking elementary school dialects in a college-level job interview. I engaged them in conversation and gradually realized that they saw Vagueness not as slang but as mainstream English. At long last, it dawned on me: Vagueness was not a campus fad or just another generational raid on proper locution. It was a coup. Linguistic rabble had stormed the grammar palace. The principles of effective speech had gone up in flames.
In 1988, my elder daughter graduated from Vassar. During a commencement reception, I asked one of her professors if he’d noticed any change in Vassar students’ language skills. “The biggest difference,” he replied, “is that by the time today’s students arrive on campus, they’ve been juvenilized. You can hear it in the way they talk. There seems to be a reduced capacity for abstract thought.” He went on to say that immature speech patterns used to be drummed out of kids in ninth grade. “Today, whatever way kids communicate seems to be fine with their high school teachers.” Where, I wonder, did Vagueness begin? It must have originated before the 1980s. “Like” has a long and scruffy pedigree: in the 1970s, it was a mainstay of Valspeak, the frequently ridiculed but highly contagious “Valley Girl” dialect of suburban Los Angeles, and even in 1964, the film Paris When It Sizzleslampooned the word’s overuse. All the way back in 1951, Holden Caulfield spoke proto-Vagueness (“I sort of landed on my side . . . my arm sort of hurt”), complete with double-clutching (“Finally, what I decided I’d do, I decided I’d . . .”) and demonstrative adjectives used as indefinite articles (“I felt sort of hungry so I went in this drugstore . . .”).
Is Vagueness simply an unexplainable descent into nonsense? Did Vagueness begin as an antidote to the demands of political correctness in the classroom, a way of sidestepping the danger of speaking forbidden ideas? Does Vagueness offer an undereducated generation a technique for camouflaging a lack of knowledge?
In 1991, I visited the small town of Bridgton, Maine, on the evening that the residents of Cumberland County gathered to welcome their local National Guard unit home from the Gulf War. It was a stirring moment. Escorted by the lights and sirens of two dozen fire engines from surrounding towns, the soldiers marched down Main Street. I was standing near the end of the parade and looked around expectantly for a platform, podium, or microphone. But there were to be no brief remarks of commendation by a mayor or commanding officer. There was to be no pastoral prayer of thanks for the safe return of the troops. Instead, the soldiers quickly dispersed. The fire engines rumbled away. The crowd went home. A few minutes later, Main Street stood empty.
Apparently there was, like, nothing to say.
Clark Whelton was a speechwriter for New York City mayors Ed Koch and Rudy Giuliani.
 
MadMichael,

Mr. Whelton, is like, hitting the nail on, like, the head. I was, sortuv, talking with my granddaughter, and she's all, "Grampa, how do kids, sortuv, talk diff'rin now than when you were, like, a kid?"

And I'm all, "We didn't use the words, 'like', 'all', and 'goes' to replace the word, 'said'.

And granddaughter goes, "Whaddya mean, Gramps?", and I'm all, "Duh, Never mind, honey, you, sortuv wooden unnerstan, yoam say'n?"

<grin>

[santa]Mufasa
(aka Dave of Sandy, Utah, USA)
[I provide low-cost, remote Database Administration services: www.dasages.com]
“Beware of those that seek to protect you from harm or risk. The cost will be your freedoms and your liberty.”
 
MadMichael - That is truly excellent.

Fee

"The cure for anything is salt water – sweat, tears, or the sea." Isak Dinesen
 
Hmmm, well, like.... I like that story and stuff...


seriously now, my experiences have been more of the "no problem" and "like" type, and back in the 80's there was a fad in school (military high school in Germany) called, I believe, "Valley Speak"...

Ben
"If it works don't fix it! If it doesn't use a sledgehammer..."
How to ask a question, when posting them to a professional forum.
Only ask questions with yes/no answers if you want "yes" or "no"
 
Bring on Frank Zappa!

The internet - allowing those who don't know what they're talking about to have their say.
 



I guess that Ward and June were not as far from a better reality than we were lead to believe.

Skip,
[sub]
[glasses]Just traded in my old subtlety...
for a NUANCE![tongue][/sub]
 

Whenever I overhear the conversation (of young high school girls, mostly) with a lot of ‘like’ use of a word, I am always tempted to ‘bud into’ their conversation and ask them to try to avoid the word ‘like’ and continue on with their talk and see what would happen. I have never done it, and probably will never do (especially now - my wife would not be very happy with me, just a guess here...), but I always wonder – can they still communicate... ?

English is not my ‘native’ language, but I do my best to do my best. Some other expressions that drive me ‘up the wall’: “Where are you at?” Why the ‘at’ ? It may be just the Midwest ‘thing’. “Come here a second.” Say what? “You know what I mean?” As long as you speak English chances are I do know what you mean.


Have fun.

---- Andy
 
Andy, that reminds me of years ago a friend move/wave his hands while talking. Several of us were talking and I grabbed his arms and held them to his side. He could not talk! [smile]


djj
The Lord is my shepherd (Psalm 23) - I need someone to lead me!
 
If you haven't come across it already do a search in YouTube for "Armstrong and Miller RAF Sketch".

There are several of them and quite a hoot (and, for the doubtful, relevant to the opening post)...

I like work. It fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours...
 
andrzejek Its LIKE this young girls LIKE using Like as every second word. To you and me it does not make sence. I seen teacher taking children out for outings using the word. So it a Gen "y" thing I expect. You do not see "babybomers" or Most gen "x" using LIKE except for the correct use LIKE

Never give up never give in.

There are no short cuts to anything worth doing :)
 
==>I seen teacher (??????)

It is time for pacifists to stand up and fight for their beliefs.
 
Hmmm....

So our parents spoke in a fussy, verbose, old-fashioned way; and our children speak a lazy unintelligible dialect; but our language is above reproach?

Language changes. Always has, always will. Montesquieu had it right:
Horace and Aristotle have told us of the virtues of their fathers and the vices of their own time, and authors down the centuries have done the same. If they were right, men would now be bears.
(Quote poached from an effective critique of this very article: )

I don't personally care for that use of "like", but I'm not fool enough to believe that it indicates we somehow tipped from civilisation into barbarism in the mid-80s.

-- Chris Hunt
Webmaster & Tragedian
Extra Connections Ltd
 
Whatever ;-)

The internet - allowing those who don't know what they're talking about to have their say.
 
but I'm not fool enough to believe that it indicates we somehow tipped from civilisation into barbarism in the mid-80s.
Perhaps not. A good start to determining that would be an explicit and agreed upon definition and description of civilization and barbarism.


That being said, perhaps the more relevant issue is not civilization versus barbarism, but communication. Does it contribute to communication, or, like, not.

55,687.00 hours down....
<60 hours to go

tick tick tick tick tick
 
I don't personally care for that use of "like", but I'm not fool enough to believe that it indicates we somehow tipped from civilisation into barbarism in the mid-80s.
Groovy, man! It was definitely, like, in the 60's, man. Can you dig it! Cool. [bigglasses]


James P. Cottingham
[sup]I'm number 1,229!
I'm number 1,229![/sup]
 
Who was it who said "If you can remember what happened in the '60s, you weren't there?"

It is time for pacifists to stand up and fight for their beliefs.
 
I can't remember.

The internet - allowing those who don't know what they're talking about to have their say.
 
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