What browsers do you support?

[caffeinerusher]

For any of you corporate or e-commerce developers out there. What browsers do you support? I am forced to support Netscape 4.x IE 4+ on both PC and Mac. I am trying to collect some data that would help support an effort to no longer support Netscape 4.x Any help is appreciated.

--Caffeinerusher

 

[Trevman]

Netscape 4 and IE 4 are dead. You are cutting out just as many people by supporting those browsers and using table based layouts as you would if you do a CSS layout --

And the catch is that table based layouts are almost impossible for a brail reader to interpert, or a text based browser. But you can actually still access the content of a site in Netscape4/IE4 using a CSS layout. ===
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[SADCAT]

This is how I see it... *I* have to look at my site every single day, and I'm tired of having to make special pages just for those old versions that don't support diddly-squat. If anything, once people realize their browsers can't do anything, they'll upgrade.

 

[Trevman]

http://www.alistapart.com/stories/tohell/

That is a really good article on the reasoning behind ditching your tables and the 4.x browsers. ===
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[SADCAT]

Great article! But I'm hooked on tables. Invisible of course.

 

[Trevman]

Thats too bad -- tables are ment for tabular data. A bunch of spacer images and invisible tables are not tabular data -- they are design mechinisms -- which is why CSS was created in 1996. All tables do is decrease assability. CSS is the future of the web -- even if you still use tables you should be able to do everything you can with a table using CSS -- So you won't be left behind. ===
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[SADCAT]

Well like the article says, there are good and bad uses for tables. I'm happy with what I'm able to do with them, and the visitors to my website often comment on the nice designs I come up with. Combined with CSS, DHTML, Flash and Java, you can't go wrong.

 

[Trevman]

When ALA refers to bad uses for tables -- they mean using tables as a layout mechanism. Tables were ment to display data -- not arrange a design on the page. ===
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[defrex]

i think everyone on the planet should use one browser. and personaly i think it should be IE, but it could be msnE for all i care, i just hate all this conditinalizing for netscape garbage. not knowing is an excuse for those umwilling to lern -- John Rueben

 

[tsdragon]

I agree that designing for NS 4.7 or less is a total pain in the gluteus maximus! My boss designed a beautiful layout for one of our clients, only it looks like **** (fill in your favorite word) in NS 4.7. I have to admit that it looks fine in NS 6.1, almost as good as it does in IE. I've spent the last two days trying to figure out how to make it work for all three browsers. What a waste of time!

My boss says he read about something called (I think) the "browser standards initiative" or "browser standards project" that advocates supporting only IE5.x+, NS6.x+ and Opera. Sounds good to me!
Tracy Dryden
tracy@bydisn.com

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Meddle not in the affairs of dragons,
For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.

 

[yandso]

I would whole heartedly agree, stand up clap and do backflips if we could get a little standarization. I don't want to even think of how many time I have finished a site and then had to redesign it to look good on *&$#@! Netscape browsers.

 

[aperfectcircle]

I think this is what tsdragon is referring to:

http://webstandards.org/upgrade/

 

[tsdragon]

THANKS! That's exactly what I was referring to!
Tracy Dryden
tracy@bydisn.com

http://www.bydisn.com

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons,
For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.

 

[Trevman]

I love what the WaSP is doing with the browser upgrade campaign. I support it whole heartedly. Ditch the 4.x browsers -- go for css designs and standards. Ditch using tables for layout. Increase accessibility. Heck yeah.

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