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magicandmight · Feb 1, 2006

We are using PHP, as for the AJax I have never heard of it so I will have to research to see if we can use that.

Foamcow · Feb 1, 2006

Instead of loading a webpage, at the start of the session, the browser loads an Ajax engine written in JavaScript and usually tucked away in a hidden frame.

That's interesting.
Granted I have a scant knowledge of Ajax, but I understand the principle.. or I thought I did.
From what I though I understood there is no reason at all to hide anything in a "hidden frame". I don't get it.

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ChrisHunt · Feb 2, 2006

Is there a way, besides frames, to make the URL that is displayed in the address bar say whatever url you want?

If your question is "How do I make the URL in the address bar different to the real one for the page being viewed", the best approach is to use a frame. Sure, it gets in the way of bookmarking and linking, but that appears to be what you want. It won't be much of an obstacle to any marginally competent hacker, and search engines will probably ignore the frameset and link direct to the real pages, but it will do the job you're asking for. I don't see any point in adding the (considerable) complication of new-fangled Ajax when frames already offer a well-established, stable means of doing the job.

If, on the other hand, you want to make it look like your pages come from a different server to where they really are, you'll need to do something server-side. Maybe you can use mod_rewrite to do it on apache servers, or you could write a program which, when it's called like this:

[tt]www.foo.com/show.php?page=somepage.php[/tt]

it reads [tt]www.bar.com/somepage.php[/tt] and prints it out.

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with any of it. If your visitors are reading the address bar instead of your pages, you need to write more interesting pages!

-- Chris Hunt
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BabyJeffy · Feb 2, 2006

foamcow said:
From what I though I understood there is no reason at all to hide anything in a "hidden frame". I don't get it.

You are totally correct in your understanding. There is no reason to hide anything in a hidden frame for AJAX functionality. I think the description on that site is a bit "dumbed down" and written for last century web developers.

Cheers,
Jeff

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CliveC · Feb 2, 2006

Jesse James Garrett the author on the dumbed-down site in question is the one who started the Ajax nonsense.

BTW Ajax messes up bookmarking so we had better not use it.

Not to worry! I have a new technology that combines HTML, PHP and CSS. It is called VIM - Visual Interface for Morons.

Clive

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BabyJeffy · Feb 2, 2006

It was his description of AJAX that I referred to as "dumbed down"... not the site in general. And specifically it was his generalisation about the use of hidden frames.

CliveC said:
BTW Ajax messes up bookmarking so we had better not use it.

Once again CliveC shows us how petty and small minded he can be. For those of you interested... CliveC defends the use of framesets (and frames) for pretty much everything - and refuses to accept that bookmarking frameset content is problematic. This was discussed to extremes on this thread: thread253-1180038 - and his comments here relate directly to that thread.

CliveC said:
I have a new technology that combines HTML, PHP and CSS. It is called VIM - Visual Interface for Morons.

And not to be mis-understood, here he is again... this time trying to tell us (as professional developers who use HTML, CSS and in many cases PHP) that we are "morons". Or is he saying that we are developing things for "morons". Or is he belittling our profession?

Hear that? That's not us laughing with you, CliveC.

Cheers,
Jeff

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CliveC · Feb 2, 2006

BabyJeffy said:
CliveC defends the use of framesets (and frames) for pretty much everything - and refuses to accept that bookmarking frameset content is problematic.

RCIS

In the frameset thread:thread253-1180038

clivec said:
I will concede that bookmarking a frameset is difficult in fact almost impossible without some serious workarounds.

Clive

CliveC · Feb 2, 2006

BabyJeffy said:
And not to be mis-understood, here he is again... this time trying to tell us (as professional developers who use HTML, CSS and in many cases PHP) that we are "morons". Or is he saying that we are developing things for "morons". Or is he belittling our profession?

Actually Jeff you did misunderstand. First of all I use HTML & CSS and my preference for server-side is PHP. I was making light of the notion that an author takes existing technologies and make out that he has created something new. VIM is a unilever product similar to AJAX & COMET.

Sorry if you or anyone else was offended.

Clive

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CliveC · Feb 2, 2006

In case you think that I am the only one who finds the ajax thing amusing see:

Clive