I have a base table called DEX, with fields "clname+','+cfname" all in upper case. . .I built a self referential DEXSPOUSE view and use it in a dropdown combo box to choose, sorted by "clname" ascending updateable. . .my drop list showed mixed upper and proper so I set to upper. . .it now shows fine but the sort is discombobulated sorting the upper first and then proper even though the base table is all upper. Any feedback on what I am doing wrong? Thx Bill