I have my lan data network on 192.168.19.0 backbone pix device (I know crazy this is before I came on board) the other lan on the same network for the voice is 172.20.4.0. They is a physical connection by a gigabit switch, but they dont see each other cant ping and when you do show cdp neighbor you only see the switch for each device not the "bridge" switch by the way the gigabit swich has not interface. I need to admin the voice router from time to time. How do I make the two lans talk to each other? They dont have to do heavy talk I just need to get to it with http or ssh, I was doing some research and came across default route? you smart folks can probably figure this out in a couple of minutes. I can get to both routers to add commands. I know two lans can communicate to each other over the wan so this should be doable on the same network.