thank you... i (obviously) don't know what i am talking about... i just happen to notice "text="000000"" in the BODY tag and thought that this was the default for the font face for the whole document... you know, kinda like they have the hex numbers for the colors? as well as the name (eg. red) for a color? just thought that since they had the text names, perhaps there was a matching "hex" number... guess not, huh?