Site submission

[virtualranger]

I have been looking at better ways to maintain the search engine listings of our site. About once a month I manually submit our site to a handful of the best known engines.

My question is, how do web design/search optimisation companies submit their customers sites to search engines. These companies often guarantee to submit your site to the top 50 or so engines once a month. Surely they must do it programatically somehow? I cant see see rows of people manually submiting all these sites. Maybe I'm wrong. I just wondered how they do it. Cheers,
Jamie

 

[mThomas]

SEO's used to do it with submission programs, and while there are plenty of programs that claim to do so, the simple truth is that most spider based search sites, no longer allow such submissions. AltaVista makes if impossible for such submisions. Google says doing so is a no no and in fact names one of the programs by name.

If you get caught using such a program like web position gold, and caught you will get, Google will probably penalize you. Maybe, probably drop your site completelly.

One of the biggest scams that SEO's used to pull is to claim to submit your site to hundreds or even thousands of search sites. What they would do (if they did anything at all) was to submit your site to an Inktomi based search site. That would in turn "submit" your site to multiple search sites using the Inktomi engine.

In my opinion, you shouldn't submit so often. It might do more harm than good. It will be a real problem for you if you are submitting to directories once a month. Because a real human looks at your site, once your site is indexed, they might (will) get frustrated with your multiple submissions. Some directory sites put such notifications in their terms of use.

mike

 

[bethabernathy]

I have a good strategy that I use. I create unique metatags for the page in my website that I am trying to promote using the phrase I am going after. Make sure the links on your site uses these same words and make sure the content on this page reflects this phrase? If google is already spidering through your website, most likely they will pick up the new metatags anywhere from 1 day to two months. Inktomi doesn't seem to spider as deeply through a website as Google.

The major spiders are Google, Inktomi, Fast, Alta Vista and Teoma. Let them find your site on their own, just easiest that way, unless your site is not listed at all. Then you can use the submission links on my chart at:

http://www.integratedresourcemgmt.com/searchenginenews.html

to submit to the remaining search engines that are not powered by a one of the above spiders, which remain to be few.

I do not recommend any form of automated submission. After you see how the search engines are ranking your site and if your metatags, content and links are giving you the ranking you want. If not, adjust the tags, content and links and wait for the updates.

For optimal placement, links should be text, rather than images. This is particularly helpful with Inktomi.

Beth beth@integratedresourcemgmt.com

 

[sulfericacid]

I don't see where people get this false information from, you can use automated software for any search engine. Some software isn't designed to read number keys from images but who's to say it isn't possible. Automated applications do the job better than any manual submission can..you do, however, need to manually submit to a few of them to be on the safe side. For all the little fake search engines out there automated tools are well worth it, I suggest AddWeb. "Age is nothing more than an inaccurate number bestowed upon each of us at birth as just another means for others to judge and classify us- sulfericacid

 

[Wullie]

sulfericacid,

If the threads before yours were fake, where is your evidence of this?

I would like to see hard facts please, not just your word as you have given.

Automated submission tools cannot possibly read images to see what number is on them unless the images contained alt tags for each image with the letters and number in each one, if you think any different then I suggest you move to a new line of business.

You have been provided with details on Google's AUP saying automated submissions are not allowed, where do you get the information that this is wrong?

Automated applications do the job better than any manual submission can..you do, however, need to manually submit to a few of them to be on the safe side.

Well, I'm sorry but this really takes the biscuit. I can only assume that you have little or no experience with Search Engines. How could you possibly backup this theory?

Hope this helps Wullie

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[sulfericacid]

Partially because I used to own

http://www.spydersubmission.com

which was online for over a year and had numerous success from clients. Only program I ever used was AddWeb and that exceeded all theirs (and my own) expectations for results. I also used to own

http://www.everydayteens.net

which received anywhere from 1300 to around 1400 uniques daily, and it wasn't a porn site but with a domain like that I probably drew in extra people who thought it was.

You can design programs to read images, I know this for a fact because I've seen it done in Perl. Other languages can read images as well, note they aren't always accurate but it is possible. You could always fake an application to be read as from their site, that would be a really interesting project but if you find the right person on rentacoder.com you can have the program of your dreams

"Age is nothing more than an inaccurate number bestowed upon each of us at birth as just another means for others to judge and classify us- sulfericacid

 

[Wullie]

Ok, let me set a few things straight.

Firstly you said:

Automated applications do the job better than any manual submission can..

then your other post says:

Only program I ever used was AddWeb and that exceeded all theirs (and my own) expectations for results.

Thanks for that, I can now confirm that you have no experience that you allows you to provide unbias advice to the members of this forum.

If you only used one program, how can you tell us what is the best way to do something?

Next thing is:

Some software isn't designed to read number keys from images but who's to say it isn't possible.

then you go on to say:

You can design programs to read images, I know this for a fact because I've seen it done in Perl.

Can I ask where you saw this script written in Perl? It must have been very recent as you didn't know if it was possible 17 days ago.

You could always fake an application to be read as from their site,

Why? What possible use would this give you? As has been already mentioned, these sites use images to show a string for the user to enter, faking the referrer would not bypass this.

that would be a really interesting project but if you find the right person on rentacoder.com you can have the program of your dreams

Firstly, faking a referrer is simple in most languages, and some of us make our own programs, we don't all need to get others to do it for us. Also, please do not try and promote other sites on Tek-Tips, it is against the acceptable use policy.

Wullie

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http://www.freshlookdesign.co.uk

http://www.freshlookdesign.com

http://www.whiland.co.uk

The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change.
The leader adjusts the sails. - John Maxwell

 

[mThomas]

sulfericacid,

You posted "You can design programs to read images, I know this for a fact because I've seen it done in Perl. Other languages can read images as well, note they aren't always accurate but it is possible."

Are you trying to say that a perl script can be written to read what is in an image. Say for instance there is a gif with a J in it. Are you saying you can write a perl script to read the J?????? Please post your script so we can learn how you do the impossible.

Just playing along, perl would have to read the RGB value of every pixel and then interpret their respective position and then construct a map to have data to work with. Then the script would have to be told every possible combination of shapes know to man kind. Once the script is able to know what all the possible shapes, it would have to then compare the map to each and every one of the possible shapes. Take Altavista for instance. They use graphics to display a string that the user has to type into a text box during the submission process. If you go and check it out, you will notice that it is often very difficult to tell exactly what the images are. I mean sometimes, the font used and the angle at which the letter or number is positioned makes it very difficult to figure out what it is. So a perl script would have to be some mighty monster script with a level of intelligence that can interpret those odd characters.

So please post the wonder script you say you have written.

mike

 

[foxdev]

Whether you can write or buy or use the world's greatest SE submission program is, at present, pointless.

Depending on your industry and who you believe, Google's index provides 80-95% of non-PPC traffic for most sites. So, the most critical thing is getting crawled, then included, by Google. Outside of Google, the other 5-20% of SE traffic providers can be counted on one hand. Seems pointless to buy/develop/use a program that can submit to 50/500/whatever search engines.

While you can submit directly to Google, a better way is to have links on just a few other sites that Google crawls (the ODP, Yahoo, JoeAnt, or whatever directory is appropriate for your industry). Google's spider will then follow the links from sites in already indexes to find yours.

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[spewn]

i was pulling out my hair trying to figure out the search engine game, then i found this site:

http://www.spider-food.net

they do a very thorough job of explaining and guiding you through the proper procedures, from using metatags to building spider-friendly pages.

also, i use google adwords. although costly, it does direct qualified potentials to your site.

- g

 

[Kjonnnn]

Ok as a novice help me understand.

When I did my churchs site, I added the site to a lot of engines for free.

When I go to the search engine and just search for the partial title of my church it comes up.

For instance, if I search for: "Praise Temple" Chicago (and thats not the full name) it comes up.

Is this accuracy only happening on my computer? Have I fooled myself?

 

[Wullie]

Hi mate,

I'm on my way out for a drink so need to be quick.

When a search engine spiders your page, it extracts the content, the amount varies per engine.

All of the extracted data is stored in a database and then when a user types a search term, the database returns any records with that search term contained in them.

These records are displayed in order of relevance. The relevance is calculated from a few factors also depending on the certain engine. (Incoming links, amount of time keyword appears in the page etc etc)

When you type in a phrase, the engine is doing the above and finding that your site is the most relevant based on its algorithm. It is not only on your machine, but can vary between countries as Google for example shows different results to US users than it does it UK users.

Hope this helps

Wullie

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The leader adjusts the sails. - John Maxwell