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CajunCenturion
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Both words do share a common defintion, but both words also have definitions unrelated to each other.
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Either sentence would need to be preceded by description of some obstacle to whatever it is that's to be done, so it would be regardless of that obstacle.
The more grammatically informed may have to enlighten me, but it seems like either of your examples is on shaky ground as a stand alone sentence.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it regardless.
Those seem broken to me, or at least much clumsier than the following.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails, but he'll do it anyway.
Henry will clip my toenails, regardless of it not being his job.
The more grammatically informed may have to enlighten me, but it seems like either of your examples is on shaky ground as a stand alone sentence.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it regardless.
Those seem broken to me, or at least much clumsier than the following.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails, but he'll do it anyway.
Henry will clip my toenails, regardless of it not being his job.
CajunCenturion
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Despite my better judgement, I entered this discussion with regardless abandon. Nevertheless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can.
I think you'll find that 'regardless' cannot be replaced with 'anyway', and that 'anyway' cannot be replaced with 'regardless'. On the other hand, 'nevertheless', can be replaced with either one.
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I think you'll find that 'regardless' cannot be replaced with 'anyway', and that 'anyway' cannot be replaced with 'regardless'. On the other hand, 'nevertheless', can be replaced with either one.
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The definition of "anyway" here is all possible ways and interchangable with "any way," I believe. According to Dictionary.com, the definition meaning "any way" and that meaning "regardless" are separate.
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It is not only absolutely reasonable strongm, but correct as well.
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Wow! 6 answers already, and very little information. ![[smile]](/data/assets/smilies/smile.gif "[smile] [smile]")
Let's see if we can resuscitate this thread.
>Both words do share a common defintion, but both words also have definitions unrelated to each other.
Any examples?
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it regardless.
Are you saying, in this context, the two words are correctly interchangeable? And "regardless" is not left dangling here?
Correction: "But, "He'll do it regardless" sounds as if it raises the question "regardless of what?".
Let's see if we can resuscitate this thread.
>Both words do share a common defintion, but both words also have definitions unrelated to each other.
Any examples?
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway.
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it regardless.
Are you saying, in this context, the two words are correctly interchangeable? And "regardless" is not left dangling here?
Correction: "But, "He'll do it regardless" sounds as if it raises the question "regardless of what?".
Stella740pl
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Dimandja,
Even though the two words are not always interchangeable, in the examples with Henry you can say they are. If there is a bit of a stretch here, it's just a tiny little bit.
The key here is to think of the words that are omitted, or rather transferred to the sentence immediately preceding the one in question; they will answer your question "regardless of what?".
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway.
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it regardless [of the fact that it's not his job].
Or rather, the complete phrase would be
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway, regardless of the fact that it's not his job.
But it's not what you would normally say, right?
Even though the two words are not always interchangeable, in the examples with Henry you can say they are. If there is a bit of a stretch here, it's just a tiny little bit.
The key here is to think of the words that are omitted, or rather transferred to the sentence immediately preceding the one in question; they will answer your question "regardless of what?".>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway.
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it regardless [of the fact that it's not his job].
Or rather, the complete phrase would be
>It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails. He'll do it anyway, regardless of the fact that it's not his job.
But it's not what you would normally say, right?
CajunCenturion
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Dimandja - In my second post, you'll find an example where both words are used and not interchangable. In that same example, you find a place where either word could be used, interchangable with the word 'nevertheless'.
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Dimandja,
My first two examples were meant to show the awkwardness of the OP's examples in context. So, yes, regardless if left dangling.
The second pair were my attempt at correct usage.
My first two examples were meant to show the awkwardness of the OP's examples in context. So, yes, regardless if left dangling.
The second pair were my attempt at correct usage.
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RodKnowlton,
Your examples are what I feel to be correct:
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails, but he'll do it anyway.
Henry will clip my toenails, regardless of it not being his job.
CajunCenturion,
I looked at your second post, and I have several issues with it.
Despite my better judgement, I entered this discussion with regardless abandon. Nevertheless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can.
"regardless abandon" should not be a coherent phrase; I believe "reckless abandon" is what's implied here?
"get out anyway I can" should not be grammatically correct; I believe that should read/spell "get out any way I can". The phrase "any way" is not the same as the word "anyway".
"nevertheless", surely, cannot be replaced with "anyway" here? I can't very well picture anyone 'correctly' saying: "Anyway, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can". Or even: "Regardless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can".
Your examples are what I feel to be correct:
It's not Henry's job to clip my toenails, but he'll do it anyway.
Henry will clip my toenails, regardless of it not being his job.
CajunCenturion,
I looked at your second post, and I have several issues with it.
Despite my better judgement, I entered this discussion with regardless abandon. Nevertheless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can.
"regardless abandon" should not be a coherent phrase; I believe "reckless abandon" is what's implied here?
"get out anyway I can" should not be grammatically correct; I believe that should read/spell "get out any way I can". The phrase "any way" is not the same as the word "anyway".
"nevertheless", surely, cannot be replaced with "anyway" here? I can't very well picture anyone 'correctly' saying: "Anyway, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can". Or even: "Regardless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can".
CajunCenturion
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All I can say is that 'regardless abandon' is a choherent phrase, even though you don't hear it very often.
Anyway is a valid word, and the phrase is grammatically correct.
As far as either word replacing 'nevertheless', I'm not sure what the issue here is.
A couple of references may help clear it up.
American Heritage - Anyway
American Heritage - Regardless
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Anyway is a valid word, and the phrase is grammatically correct.
As far as either word replacing 'nevertheless', I'm not sure what the issue here is.
A couple of references may help clear it up.
American Heritage - Anyway
American Heritage - Regardless
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Stella740pl
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CajunCenturion,
Anyway is a valid word, and the phrase is grammatically correct.
Anyway is a valid word, and so is maybe, but in no way substitutes for phrases any way and may be. Their meaning and usage is not identical, and even the parts of speech are not the same any more, so grammatically they are not interchangeable. I remember this from an English textbook, but will look for a reference when I have time.
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Merriam-Webster and American Heritage are both on CajunCenturion's side.
Merriam-Webster perhaps makes it clearest. There is an "anywise" meaning and an "anyhow" meaning.
anywise = in any way whatever
anyhow = in any case
Merriam-Webster perhaps makes it clearest. There is an "anywise" meaning and an "anyhow" meaning.
anywise = in any way whatever
anyhow = in any case
CajunCenturion
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No I meant exactly what I posted.
Stella740pl - The American Heritage dictionary link that I posted could be used as one reference and contains a similar example.
You may also find this example -- Regardless -- helpful.
Of course, regardless of those links, you can choose to believe what you wish. Anyway, I have nothing more to contribute here.
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Stella740pl - The American Heritage dictionary link that I posted could be used as one reference and contains a similar example.
You may also find this example -- Regardless -- helpful.
Of course, regardless of those links, you can choose to believe what you wish. Anyway, I have nothing more to contribute here.
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>No I meant exactly what I posted.
You mean "anyway" and "any way" are one and the same?
You mean "regardless abandon" makes sense?
>Merriam-Webster perhaps makes it clearest. There is an "anywise" meaning and an "anyhow" meaning.
I don't see how that elucidates this discussion.
You mean "anyway" and "any way" are one and the same?
You mean "regardless abandon" makes sense?
>Merriam-Webster perhaps makes it clearest. There is an "anywise" meaning and an "anyhow" meaning.
I don't see how that elucidates this discussion.
CajunCenturion
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No, I did not say that 'anyway' and 'any way' are one and the same.
What I did say was that 'anyway' is a valid word, and that the sentence 'Nevertheless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can.' is grammatically correct and uses the word 'anyway' properly.
And yes, 'regardless abandon' does make sense and is a proper use of 'regardless' as an adjective.
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What I did say was that 'anyway' is a valid word, and that the sentence 'Nevertheless, I did, and now I need to get out anyway I can.' is grammatically correct and uses the word 'anyway' properly.
And yes, 'regardless abandon' does make sense and is a proper use of 'regardless' as an adjective.
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