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Procomm Plus answering line incorrectly

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ericthered26

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Jun 12, 2006
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Ok, I'm going to explain this as best I can and hopefully someone can help me out.

We have a POS system in my mothers florist that handles our day to day stuff for us. It uses two modems, one for credit card authorizations and one to send orders to other florist out of town. The modem that handles sending orders to the network to go off to other florist also has to answering incoming calls on that line to recieve orders from other florist. Procomm plus handles this. The company that sold use the hardware/software claims that you need two seperate phone lines, one for each modem. But at about 80 dollars a line here (yeah, the phone company has us bent over), it's not a very good option, and with our old system we NEVER had a problem with two modems on one line. Procomm does not however handle the credit card side of it, another DOS program does. Of course the credit card processing program does not need to answering incoming calls. So that's a little background on the setup.

Now on to the problem! The modems are "daisy chained" like this: Incoming phone line > CC Modem >> Wire Service Modem. So the wire service modem is connected to the CC modem and the CC modem to the phone line. Most of the time, it's problematic but rarely it works just fine. When a credit card authorization tries to go through, the credit card modem will pick up the line, and Procomm will register this as a ring, and pick up the line. It then starts blasting out the modem connect sounds and eventually you get the "if you'd like to make a call" from the phone system. Procomm is setup to answer after only one ring, and most of the time it misinterprets the CC modem picking up the line as a ring, you can even see this in the procomm window. The company that sold it to us (we pay them 130 a month for support too ROFL), told us almost literally, "too bad, you need to get another line, or you're going to continue to have this problem."

I know that it's not that simple. I'm convinced it can be fixed, it worked with the old setup. I'm thinking it could be as simple as setting the number of rings it must see before answering to two. But, I can't change that setting. When I try and do it in procomm is still answers on 1 ring and when I restart the program it sets itself back to 1 ring....... Is this something that they likely set in the Aspect script? I know nothing of aspect scripting. I mean I used procomm years ago with DOS to connect to the BBS, but never did any scripting and really didn't realize it was there until I started looking into this problem. Of course they fail to provide us with the uncompiled version of the script, so I can't even look at it to see. And from looking at these forums, I understand that there is likely not a decompiler for the wax files.

Further I really doubt I could get the company to send me the uncompiled script lol. They basically don't care we even have this problem. Get another phone line is their solution and they don't even think it can be fixed. But a small business has to watch it's expenses and when you plop down 10 grand on a POS system with multiple workstations, and 130 a month for "support" and various other things, adding another 80 dollars a month when it used to work fine this way is kinda hard for us to swallow. I mean, I guess if it comes down to this then fine. It's beyond an annoyance at this point, when you have a customer in the store and five minutes later their CC still hasn't been authorized cause the modems are playing games with each other, it's embarrasing. They do eventually time out and start the process again, but it has been known to happen twice in a row.

So any help would be GREATLY appreciated. I mean, am I missing something or did they likely set the number of rings before answering with the aspect script? Sorry for such a long post!

Thanks guys!
Eric
 
It sounds to me like the script is setting the number of rings to answer by, so not much you can do there (unless they are willing to compile a different version of the script for you). It may not hurt to make a request of them that future versions of the script allow this to be a user-configurable setting, but that wouldn't help you right now.

I'm not quite clear on the phone line setup you have right now, but what you might try doing is getting a phone line splitter such that the phone line you have now is split into two phone jacks - one for the CC machine, another for the Procomm machine. This might alleviate the spurious ring problem and should only be a few bucks from Radio Shack or a similar store.

 
I thought about doing that too with the splitter, but I don't think it's going to work as I think the procomm machine is still going to mis-interpret the CC modem picking up the line as a ring. They are US-Robotics modems and we've tried a few, so it's not a modem problem. Of course we could have the phone company come in and see if there is any noise on the line, but they would charge us for that, and I don't think that's the problem.

I mean, I guess I knew the answer as far as not being able to decompile the script and I also was reasonably sure that the number of rings was being set by the script. I just was looking to see if anyone had any ideas. Back to the splitter, that was suggested to me by a somewhat rude tech support guy, but I wrote it off as not really being something that would likely work. And he also kinda made it sound like he didn't think that would solve the problem, just something to try.

As far as the setup of the phone line, I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but I'll try and clearify. Basically out of the wall, a line goes into the back of the CC machine. Then out of the CC machine a line goes into the Procomm machine. If you're looking for something more specific to the type of phone line, I'd have a really hard time answer that ;), as I just don't know.

I suppose I will give the splitter a shot, but I don't have high hopes for it. Thanks!

Eric

 
ericthred26-

This sounds like a telephony problem rather than a Procomm issue. A few suggestions to check and try...

The Procomm modem sensing the dialout of the Credit Card modem may be caused if the CC modem is set to dial out in ROTARY mode. The rotary pulses have been known to send spikes which could be misinterpreted by the Procomm modem as incoming ringing. Verify the CC modem is set to TONE dialing.

I would also try to re-arrange the daisy chain of modems...
From the wall jack > Procomm modem 'Line'
From the Procomm modem 'Phone' > CC modem 'Line'.
Reason being the Procomm modem needs to both answer and dial out; the CC modem only dials out. If the CC modem cant get a dial tone, it knows to wait for dial tone before dialing out; the Procomm script may not have been writen so inteligent to sense dial tone at the modem was not present.

There is other means of sharing the single line (a Radio Shack line splitter will cause other coordination problems when both devices are attempting to use the line at the same moment). There are devices like a TelTone Line Sharing Switch or ComShare that have logic to control the path of the single phone line. One TelTone model can share one line with up to 4 devices. Depending on your overall call volume, you could eliminate modem and fax lines to one line and save another $80 a month.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.

lakehouse- I can say we've tried swithing around the chaining the way to describe with the line coming in from the wall to the procomm modem. Doesn't make a noticable difference.

Also, I'm reasonable sure that it's set to Tone dialing, but I will double check that.

I'm not sure how much a LSS from TelTone would cost, but if I can't find anything local that is something like that or ComShare, I'll give them a shot.

Thanks!

 
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