patch panel to amphenol connection 2

[telnettech]

is there a product or a way to take a amphenol connection and connect it straight to a patch panel....i am trying to not have to cut the amphenol connector off and reterminate the pairs to the back of the patch panel...these are initially going to be a analog phone line from an avaya pbx but later customer can change those lines to his IP voice service that he has for his admin area of his business....there will be about 120 analog lines that we would need to do this for....some recommendations would be helpful

Brian

 

[skip555]

you can get patch panels that have amp connectors on the back.

I know ortronics makes them (becouse I have one sitting here )I suspect others do also

check with your distributor , thats what the salesmen are there for

 

[ISDNman]

I assuem you mean an RJ patch panel?

These most certainly exist, but I am not sure if the meet anything beyond Cat 3 (quite possibly not).

Leviton makes one. I can't find a Seimons catalog handy, but they probably do too.

L-COm has a panel by Hellerman-Tyton that may do this, but the decription is unclear (claims 100 Base-T capbility so it might at least meet Cat. 5.

Jenne lists several panels made by ICC, these clearly are listed for Telco and thereofre probably are not Cat. 5.

Best of luck

 

[ANFPS26]

Here's another thread on this subject:

thread575-955795

Jim

 

[mikeydidit]

I have 2 that may be what you are looking for. They are both made by Ortronics. The first is in a 1U setup and the part number is Or-808004337 The second one is a 2U setup and the part number for it is OR-808004926. I believe these are (supposedly) rated for Cat5 as we have used them for that purpose before.

Mike Jones
Louisiana State University Health Sciences center

 

[Jtodd]

I concur that Siemons and Leviton should have similar items available, but I also don't have a catalog handy. These are usually rated for at least Cat5, maybe even Cat5e, but I'm not sure without the paper work.

Justin T. Clausen
Physical Layer Implementation
California State University, Monterey Bay

 

[Servamatic]

Justin

The Voice Grade patch panels are just that, voice grade. They are not typically Category rated. At least not ours (Leviton).

http://www.levitonvoicedata.com/support/documents/specdesign/pdf/490xxJxx.pdf

I have used a ton of these due to ease of installation and cost. They do have 8p2c, 8p4c, or 8p8c ports which may be why you thought about category rating, but that is only for ease of patching. You can use cat5 patch cords instead of silver satin to patch to your horizontal cabling patch panels.

Hope this helps.

Richard S. Anderson, RCDD

http://www.servamatic.net

 

[telnettech]

the panel has to be rated as a Cat 5 as the customer will want to upgrade to Voip in the future....we are trying to save the customer as much as possible and not have a giant expense later when they do decide to go with Voip.....i talked to a lady in the customer center for Leviton and she stated that they do NOT have anything higher than voice grade...i am going to pass on the Ortronics parts to the project manager to look at...thanks for the help guys.

Brian

 

[Jtodd]

I looked up Siemons, Panduit, and Ortronics and all listed their products at Cat5. One even listed their cable as Cat5e. I believe it was Siemon. Can't remember now as I was a few days ago, and apparently, I forgot to submit the post I was writing up then.
Anyway, these are all Cat5.

Justin T. Clausen
Physical Layer Implementation
California State University, Monterey Bay

 

[lopes1211]

Correct me if I'm wrong. The panel doesn't have to be cat-5 at all. Aren't you running cat-5 station cable to a cat-5 rj-45 patch panel? Then, you're asking for a seperate patch panel with an amp connector on the back so you can terminate your pbx ports? Then, you are going to use patch cables between the 2 to activate the stations? When it comes time for VOIP, you're going to repatch the station cable directly to ethernet switches and trash the telco "rj-45 to amp" panel. No need to be cat-5.

-CL

 

[mikeydidit]

These patch panels will work at lower speeds (sometimes 100) but I would not recommend using these for your VoIP needs. I have never understood how they can make their claims that the amphinal cable were up to Cat5 standards. It seems that the head would prevent this to begin with. Next you factor in that one end plugs into a amphinal to rj-45 adaptor. On the back of this panel you may have up to 6" of just jumpers that have twist to them making up the RJ-45 connector. Then you would patch a cable from this block to a switch. I would really hate to see what this would look like on a tester.

Our networking group started out using the old MMAC-8's hubs from Cabletron years ago and my group has to come back and retrofit to the newer Cisco 4506 chassis. The patch panels are not the best answer. We are taking off the old amphinal blocks and rewiring everything on 5E panels with wall mount brackets. Then running patch cables to the switches. These we do not have any problems with. Going to VoIP will be a challenge enough without cabling problems.


Mike Jones
Louisiana State University Health Sciences center

 

[Jtodd]

Mike,

I completely agree! We've done similar with our switches, but had an Alcatel step between the Cabletron and Cisco. Anyway, I wouldn't use these types of panels for VoIP either. I would also shy away from the cross-connect method and go with the inter-connect method that you have described.
Again, you wouldn't want to use Cat5 for VoIP, and I'm not completely conviced about using 5e either (I can say that being that we've moved to high end Cat6 regardless of VoIP ).

Justin T. Clausen
Physical Layer Implementation
California State University, Monterey Bay