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Pagemaker FONTS - Letter spacing 1
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BionicJohn
Technical User
Hi, Pat,
> the letters are jumbled.
Like how? another font has been substituted? All compressed together? The letter order is changed?
Which version of PM and Windows are you using?
Is your printer PS or PCL?
Are you using Type1, Truetype or OpenType fonts?
Iechyd da! John
02:42 03/02/03 GMT
> the letters are jumbled.
Like how? another font has been substituted? All compressed together? The letter order is changed?
Which version of PM and Windows are you using?
Is your printer PS or PCL?
Are you using Type1, Truetype or OpenType fonts?
Iechyd da! John
02:42 03/02/03 GMT
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hi john
The spacing of the letters in the words are too close together. I was hoping to set up the paragraph spacing for the letters. yes it is compressed together. I believe they used jusify to make the words go to the end. The letter order did not change.
Yes another font was used. It was done in xp word and brought in word 2000 into pagemaker 7.0.
I don't know what kind of printer I am using as of PS OR PCL. All I know it is a lexmark- cheap one.
The font I used use in the default of pagemarker...Arial and arial black. How can I tell if it is Type 1?
THANKS John as I am very new to this software and I have learned alot but not enough...lol.......
The spacing of the letters in the words are too close together. I was hoping to set up the paragraph spacing for the letters. yes it is compressed together. I believe they used jusify to make the words go to the end. The letter order did not change.
Yes another font was used. It was done in xp word and brought in word 2000 into pagemaker 7.0.
I don't know what kind of printer I am using as of PS OR PCL. All I know it is a lexmark- cheap one.
The font I used use in the default of pagemarker...Arial and arial black. How can I tell if it is Type 1?
THANKS John as I am very new to this software and I have learned alot but not enough...lol.......
BionicJohn
Technical User
Hi, Pat,
Are the letters squashed up like this?
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Use the text tool to select all the text,and then hit Ctrl+T. Look for "Line End" and set it to "Break". Click OK. The text should then wrap properly.
Iechyd da! John
17:50 03/02/03 GMT
Are the letters squashed up like this?
?
Use the text tool to select all the text,and then hit Ctrl+T. Look for "Line End" and set it to "Break". Click OK. The text should then wrap properly.
Iechyd da! John
17:50 03/02/03 GMT
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BionicJohn
Technical User
Hi, Pat,
OK.
Word and letter spacing - the typical default values are:
Word: Min: 75% Desired: 100% Max: 150%
Letter: Min: -5% Desired: 0% Max: 25%
Select all the text in the paragraph, and then hit Ctrl+M for your paragraph settings. Is "Alignment" set to "Force Justify"?
Also, save your publication, then File -> Document Setup and re-select your Compose to Printer, then click OK to re-compose.
Let me know how you get on.
Iechyd da! John
09:22 04/02/03 GMT
OK.
Word and letter spacing - the typical default values are:
Word: Min: 75% Desired: 100% Max: 150%
Letter: Min: -5% Desired: 0% Max: 25%
Select all the text in the paragraph, and then hit Ctrl+M for your paragraph settings. Is "Alignment" set to "Force Justify"?
Also, save your publication, then File -> Document Setup and re-select your Compose to Printer, then click OK to re-compose.
Let me know how you get on.
Iechyd da! John
09:22 04/02/03 GMT
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john I think that solved the problem. I will check it out when I print it. Do you happen to write or submit books to be published. If so what do you use for the adobe type 1 font? I didn't realize all the time it took to re format this...thanks for all your help you are great
BionicJohn
Technical User
Hi, Pat,
> I think that solved the problem.
Great. Was it the spacing between letters and words, or something else?
> Do you happen to write or submit books to be published.
Lengthy training documents, mostly text with a few drawings/images and not often in colour.
My "golden rules" from bitter experience are:
1. Always use the PM style palette.
2. NEVER EVER import any legacy Microsoft file format - DOC. XLS etc.
3. Never use Paste-Special - OLE is only there because Microsoft would not approve PM to run on Windows otherwise.
4. If the text is Word *.DOC, resave it in *.RTF Format and place that. If this causes problems, copy the text from Word and paste it into Notepad to strip out all the formating. Copy'n'paste the text from Notepad into PM and apply the PM styles.
5. Only place file that are on your local dard disk(s) - not from a network/remote drive or removable media.
> If so what do you use for the adobe type 1 font?
I use ATM 4.1 Deluxe which is also a Font Manager, allowing fonts, either in sets ot individually, to be activated or de-activated easily.
I'm a bit old school, so my default "body text" font is TimesNewRomanPS, and for Titles and Headings, GillSans or GillSans ExtraBold. (The BBC News uses GillSans for text on their TV graphics)
What is often forgotten is that the roots of PageMaker are in the printing industry - i.e. Leading, Type1 Fonts, Postscript and CMYK colour. Microsoft comes from computing - double spacing, RGB colour, PCL and TT fonts. The two don't always mix, and the purists avoid the Miscrosoft options.
Iechyd da! John
20:16 04/02/03 GMT
> I think that solved the problem.
Great. Was it the spacing between letters and words, or something else?
> Do you happen to write or submit books to be published.
Lengthy training documents, mostly text with a few drawings/images and not often in colour.
My "golden rules" from bitter experience are:
1. Always use the PM style palette.
2. NEVER EVER import any legacy Microsoft file format - DOC. XLS etc.
3. Never use Paste-Special - OLE is only there because Microsoft would not approve PM to run on Windows otherwise.
4. If the text is Word *.DOC, resave it in *.RTF Format and place that. If this causes problems, copy the text from Word and paste it into Notepad to strip out all the formating. Copy'n'paste the text from Notepad into PM and apply the PM styles.
5. Only place file that are on your local dard disk(s) - not from a network/remote drive or removable media.
> If so what do you use for the adobe type 1 font?
I use ATM 4.1 Deluxe which is also a Font Manager, allowing fonts, either in sets ot individually, to be activated or de-activated easily.
I'm a bit old school, so my default "body text" font is TimesNewRomanPS, and for Titles and Headings, GillSans or GillSans ExtraBold. (The BBC News uses GillSans for text on their TV graphics)
What is often forgotten is that the roots of PageMaker are in the printing industry - i.e. Leading, Type1 Fonts, Postscript and CMYK colour. Microsoft comes from computing - double spacing, RGB colour, PCL and TT fonts. The two don't always mix, and the purists avoid the Miscrosoft options.
Iechyd da! John
20:16 04/02/03 GMT
John
Re: 'OLE is only there because Microsoft would not approve PM to run on Windows otherwise'
I didn't know that and often wondered why that function was in PM, when all the experienced people always recommend never to use it.
(can you tell me how to pronounce 'Iechyd' phonetically?)
Re: 'OLE is only there because Microsoft would not approve PM to run on Windows otherwise'
I didn't know that and often wondered why that function was in PM, when all the experienced people always recommend never to use it.
(can you tell me how to pronounce 'Iechyd' phonetically?)
BionicJohn
Technical User
Hi, Lyn,
> I didn't know that and often wondered why that function was in PM, when all the experienced people always recommend never to use it.
OLE doesn't work 100% with the postscript printer driver, and so it is all most certain to screw up creating a PDF, and of course if a PM file is sent for printing or further editing on another PC, then the other application (e,g. WordArt) may not be installed.
Generally it's best avoided.
> how to pronounce 'Iechyd'
(210Kb) (No it's not me, though sounds a bit like my father after a couple of beers!)
It means "Good Health" or more colloquially, "Cheers"
Gwd lwc. Ai hop ddat yw can ryd ddys and ddat yt meiks sens tw yw. Iff yw can ryd ddys, dden yw ar dwing ffaen and wil haf no problems at ol yn lyrnyng awr ffaen Welsh alffabet!
LOL!!!
Iechyd da! John
02:23 06/02/03 GMT
> I didn't know that and often wondered why that function was in PM, when all the experienced people always recommend never to use it.
OLE doesn't work 100% with the postscript printer driver, and so it is all most certain to screw up creating a PDF, and of course if a PM file is sent for printing or further editing on another PC, then the other application (e,g. WordArt) may not be installed.
Generally it's best avoided.
> how to pronounce 'Iechyd'
(210Kb) (No it's not me, though sounds a bit like my father after a couple of beers!)
It means "Good Health" or more colloquially, "Cheers"
Gwd lwc. Ai hop ddat yw can ryd ddys and ddat yt meiks sens tw yw. Iff yw can ryd ddys, dden yw ar dwing ffaen and wil haf no problems at ol yn lyrnyng awr ffaen Welsh alffabet!
LOL!!!
Iechyd da! John
02:23 06/02/03 GMT
The only thing that I have to say is that I never use anything except Adobe Type one fonts on my PC for any job that is going to a commercial printer.
I wish that PageMaker would identify the type of font in the menu the way that most other programs do.
I always have to be careful that I don't pick some display font in a week moment only to find it isn't a type one font later.
Mike
I wish that PageMaker would identify the type of font in the menu the way that most other programs do.
I always have to be careful that I don't pick some display font in a week moment only to find it isn't a type one font later.
Mike
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BionicJohn
Technical User
Hi, Pat,
There are many consideration when importing text from Word into PM. I personally avoid it, for several reasons.
The Word file is unlikely to have been created to a high standard - skilled WPOs are few and far between - the "finished" article will contain multiple spaces instead of tabs, thousands fo unnecessary end of paragraph markers and soft returns, lots of ad hoc character or paragraph formatting, and poor or no use of the style palette which will clash with existing styles in PM or everything will be Normal.
An alternative is to save the DOC file in RTF format, and place that. I don't always find that satisfactory though it is better.
For short pieces of text which are problematic, the text can be cut'n'pasted into Notepad to strip out all the formatting, and then cut'n'pasted back into PM. A PM style can them be applied.
One of the worst Word files I was ever given was a document that had been created using OCR. Every paragraph in the 20 or so page had a different style. Fortunately, I was also given the original pages, so it was quick to convert the OCR generated to plain text and create the appropriate styles in PM.
My limited experience with InDesign2 shows that it imports Word files and tables much better than PM, and there is no doubt in my mind that if I was importing Word files daily, I would be screaming for ID!
If you've not seen ID2, a full working time limited demo is available from Adobe at (80Mb), plus if you're in the USA or Canada you can "upgrade" for US$299 - a real bargain.
Iechyd da! John
18:23 08/02/03 GMT
There are many consideration when importing text from Word into PM. I personally avoid it, for several reasons.
The Word file is unlikely to have been created to a high standard - skilled WPOs are few and far between - the "finished" article will contain multiple spaces instead of tabs, thousands fo unnecessary end of paragraph markers and soft returns, lots of ad hoc character or paragraph formatting, and poor or no use of the style palette which will clash with existing styles in PM or everything will be Normal.
An alternative is to save the DOC file in RTF format, and place that. I don't always find that satisfactory though it is better.
For short pieces of text which are problematic, the text can be cut'n'pasted into Notepad to strip out all the formatting, and then cut'n'pasted back into PM. A PM style can them be applied.
One of the worst Word files I was ever given was a document that had been created using OCR. Every paragraph in the 20 or so page had a different style. Fortunately, I was also given the original pages, so it was quick to convert the OCR generated to plain text and create the appropriate styles in PM.
My limited experience with InDesign2 shows that it imports Word files and tables much better than PM, and there is no doubt in my mind that if I was importing Word files daily, I would be screaming for ID!
If you've not seen ID2, a full working time limited demo is available from Adobe at (80Mb), plus if you're in the USA or Canada you can "upgrade" for US$299 - a real bargain.
Iechyd da! John
18:23 08/02/03 GMT
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