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[Annihilannic]

I've seen this term used more and more lately as the opposite to "off-site".

It doesn't sound right to me. As far as I know there is not a singular form of the term "premises" when applied to a place?

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[DrSimon]

That, of course may just be your premise . I would dislike premise as a false singular of premises, but I equally dislike the use of 'accommodations' when 'accommodation' works fine.

 

[ChrisHirst]

Are not 'accomdations' what you make when people are wrong but you let it pass?

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[CajunCenturion]

==> It doesn't sound right to me.
Me neither. On-premise sounds like on topic. Premise is a singular noun and premises its plural, but with respect to location, only the plural applies since the premises is not only the land, but all the improvements, buildings, and such on the land. In that context, premises is a plural noun because it is a collection of things. The singular premise is an assertion or a supposition, but you can also have multiple premises that form the foundation of an argument. The singular form has only one definition, but the plural form has multiple definitions. It would be interesting to learn how that came to be.

I don't have any issue with a singular accommodation vs multiple accommodations.

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[Annihilannic]

Thanks for the reassurance! Now I just need to convince the folks who write Red Hat's technical marketing presentations...

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[2ffat]

What's wrong with on-site and off-site?


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[kwbMitel]

In the telephone industry we use this quite frequently.

On premise equipment and Customer premise equipment. Due to the frequency of use, both sound fine to me.

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[mintjulep]

Why make up an English phrase when there is a perfectly good Latin one already available?

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[Annihilannic]

kwbMitel... ah, so that's where the error comes from.

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[CajunCenturion]

==> On premise equipment and Customer premise equipment.
Do you also say the equipment is on premise? Or that the equipment is on Customer premise?
Do either of those sound correct to you?

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[IPGuru]

interesting
I am also in the Telecom Industry but I would say customer Premiss.
I suspect this may be another age related example of the way the English language is evolving (unfortunately too often Americanisms picked up from too much imported Television :-( )



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[kwbMitel]

The short form for Customer Premise Equipment is CPE. I would not say the equipment is on the customer premise. When I worked for Bell, I would say that CPE is undervalued by Bell Head office and that their focus is too much on Stream (recurring revenue). Another way it might come up is to say that this customer is utilizing a Hosted Voip Solution rather than using on premise equipment. As I said before, The usage is so common as to make this sound normal to me. I would never have thought otherwise.

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[IPGuru]

The USA is notorious for using many long words when short ones would suffice.

from a PBX I work on

US: Allocated Answer Interval

UK: No-Answer Time

I guess this is a cultural thing, although DDI V DID is not so clear cut.

We do use the abreviation CPE but I would still translate as Customer Premisis Equipment.

Right or wrong I do not know.


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[CajunCenturion]

==> I would not say the equipment is on the customer premise.
Neither would I. I would say the equipment is on customers premises. (I would also use the possessive form for customer - on customer's premises.) In any event, the fact that you would not say that in the subject. Regardless of whether the adjective phrase precedes the noun in the subject (on customer premise equipment) or it's a predicate adjective phrase, (equipment is on customer premises), the adjective phrase should be the same. The location of the adjective doesn't change the wording of the adjective.

==> We do use the abreviation CPE but I would still translate as Customer Premisis Equipment.
I agree, but again, with a possessive customer: customer's premises equipment.

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[BadBigBen]

It would be interesting to learn how that came to be.

premise (n.)
late 14c., in logic, "a previous proposition from which another follows," from O.Fr. premisse, from M.L. premissa (propositio) "(the proposition) set before," fem. pp. of L. praemittere "send or put before," from prae "before" + mittere "to send". In legal documents it meant "matter previously stated" (early 15c.), which in deeds or wills often was a house or building, hence extended meaning of "house or building, with grounds" (1730). The verb meaning "to state before something else" is from 1520s.

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http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=premise

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[assets]

well to throw more telecom in:

US Route
UK Trunk

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[Annihilannic]

You'll get me started on the "root" versus "rowt" pronunciations next!

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[assets]

or route is spoken root in some places. In IT same say Rooter not Router (like the timber tool)

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[Annihilannic]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I pronounce a network router as "rooter". The route I take from A to B is my "root". A "rowter" router is a tool a carpenter uses to make fancy edges on tables. And an army routing the enemy forces is "rowting".

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[karluk]

Now that I think of it, I pronounce "route" differently, depending on the context. I say "What rowt did you take to work?" but "Root 66".