Off shoot Question... 1

[Kjonnnn]

Do employees think we're paid for our time or for out output.

I've been fortunate (as legal asst and computer geek) that my bosses only cared about everything being done. As long as nothing was lacking (especially when I was legal), I basically could be doing anything I wanted the rest of the time.

So are the majority people paid for being busy 8 hours, or producing a product at the end of the day.?????

 

[Tarwn]

My previous job, employees were responsible for turning in their own hours and the view was more towards getting thw work done. I tended to only report hours where I was busy so i guess for that job my answer would be both.
Mostly I think I get paid now for being busy. We generally have multiple projects going on so finishing one by noe means lessens our load as the sales group is constantly adding to it.
-Tarwn "The problem with a kludge is eventually you're going to have to back and do it right." - Programmers Saying (The Wiz Biz - Rick Cook)
"Your a geek!" - My Girlfriends saying

 

[SteveTheGeek]

Are you paid by the hour or by the month/year? If it's by the hour it's more obvious that it's the skills you can employ in a certain amount of time, but if you're salaried I believe it's customary to look at your output - after all, if you don't get a certain job done during working hours, then there should be no problem with staying late. The difficulty I've run into in the past is with bosses that think it is okay and even expected for me to stay late, but balk at informal comp time or going below 40 hours in a week if it is a really slow week and I'm all caught up.
-Steve

 

[GlenJohnson]

I'm fairly lucky. I am expected to get jobs done, plus a network trouble shooser but the boss is always wanting me to find and or try new stuff. Monday we put MS's Instant Messaging on the it depts pc's, we hooked a camera up to the boss' pc, and we were having a meeting in different rooms. Pretty simple to set up. (Hourly here) Glen A. Johnson
Microsoft Certified Professional
glen@nellsgiftbox.com


"How many things, too, are looked upon as quite impossible until they have been actually effected?."
Pliny the Elder, Caius Plinius Secundus(c.23-79 A.D.); Roman writer.

 

[Zarcom]

I would like to be paid more on a getting stuff done type of system. Unfortunately I am an hourly employee. I believe that the emphasis on getting stuff done motivates employess alot more than just showing up for the alloted time. That'l do donkey, that'l do
Mark

 

[mudskipper]

I think that we are paid for our time at the job. Whether you are productive or not will result in disiplinary action, a raise, or a bonus. Goal based working is great, but again--if you DON'T get things done, perhaps you should be let go! Even on salary, (in theory) it evens out eventually! (I know, I know--don't shoot me for that one. I just left a salaried position, and damn happy about it, too. The benefits looked good when I signed up for salary ;-)).

The problem that I see with getting paid to get more stuff done in our field is that you would have to have a supervisor who knows what is going on!!! Too many supervisors see the network running fine and assue that you have been sitting on your butt all week! They don't tend to know that it is running well BECAUSE of your hard work. Even then, when it does down, are you getting paid for all of that hard work? Or do they assume that the network wouldn't have gone down if your previous work was done right?! I know that my argument is pretty weak, but you have to admit--for most of us, there is a lot of truth in this!

It would be difficult to even have a 'list' of goals, as you never know what is going to pop up and keep you from getting to anything on that list! Meanwhile, your working your backside off because somebody re-installed webshots!

No thanks. Hourly for me! Mudskipper
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[Zarcom]

This could be more of an environment issue then. If you have supervisors that know whats going on ie. a small company then a salary position is more likely to go well than a hourly.

However, as you mentioned you still have to do work in either job.
<twist>
Ethically it doesn't matter in what matter you are being paid you still shouldn't be meandering around with your finger up you butt at work. There is always something that could be done.
</twist> That'l do donkey, that'l do
Mark

 

[mudskipper]

I wholeheartedly agree with your twist, Zarcom. You will eventually end up with free time, it is how you use it that makes the difference between just an employee and a real asset to the company!
Mudskipper
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Groucho said it best- &quot;A four year-old child could understand this! Quick! Run out and find me a four year-old child: I can't make heads nor tails out of this!&quot;

 

[Tarwn]

mudskipper: Like spending time at TT polishing your communication and programming/IT skills

-Tarwn &quot;The problem with a kludge is eventually you're going to have to back and do it right.&quot; - Programmers Saying (The Wiz Biz - Rick Cook)
&quot;Your a geek!&quot; - My Girlfriends saying