Not much discussion of app dev certs here 2

[IT4EVR]

I have noticed most of the discussion in this forum has been regarding networking or help desk type of certifications and not many regarding database or application development.

Is this a coincidence or is this an indication that computer professionals in the US are abandoning software development to the networking/server realm?

If this is true, do people think this is a result of 1) the .COM bubble bursting and 2) influx of outsourcing application development.

My theory is that maybe today's computer professionals believe that networking is safer from being outsourced so maybe more people are getting into that.

Just a few thoughts...

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[mrdenny]

To some extent networking is safer from outsourcing.

Most things have a way to connect to them is they are down. However if the network gear isn't working you can't access the network to remote into the device.

A little while ago there was quite a lot of talk about dev and sql certs.

If you look at the number of people with SQL and developer verts compaired to the number of MCSEs and MCSAs there is a large difference.

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/certified.asp

There are 275k Windows 2000 MCSE's and only 138k SQL 2000 MCDBAs. There are only 20k MCSDs and 45k MCADs.

When it comes to SQL 2005 there are probably less than 2000 people with there MCTS (SQL 2005). That number is just a guess, but I haven't run into anyone else with it as of yet.

Based on these numbers we probably have about the write amount of talk in here about these certs.

Denny
MCSA (2003) / MCDBA (SQL 2000) / MCTS (SQL 2005)

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[Wishdiak]

Is this a coincidence or is this an indication that computer professionals in the US are abandoning software development to the networking/server realm?

mrdenny is, as usual, right on the money with the latest statistics. I just thought I'd throw this idea in as a possible alternative reason why the MCAD is less popular than MCSE: college.


If a comp sci major graduates and gets a job doing application development, he/she has no immediate need for a certification that shows Microsoft's endorsement of his/her skills. On the other hand, from what I've seen personally, many MCSA/MCSE types are computer geeks (for lack of a better term) who may not have a comp sci degree, and thus need some credential proving that they have the skills for the job.

Globalization and the need for on-site network techs seems to play into it too. Code can be written just about anywhere at any time. When there is a network security issue that cannot be handled remotely, pardon the cliche, but, "Who you gonna call?"

Wishdiak
A+, Network+, Security+, MCSA: Security 2003

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[macleod1021]

I think that's starting to change Wish. When I first started in IT, there weren't any CIS degrees. Therefore most people would start college only to get bored and decide not to finish. Now, the academic arena has caught on that if you want us geeks to stay in college, you have to challenge us with computer based classes. I'm now going back to school at night, and it's amazing how much better the classes are. Btw...I started as a programmer(no certs then cuz they didn't exist) then moved to hardware because of need (got a LOT of certs)...now I'm back to programming (no certs/degree but working on both).

 

[IT4EVR]

Which do you like better, the programming or the hardware? The reason I like the programming because I like creating things. I find that programming feeds that creative urge I have more than networking would.

The wisest people are those who are smart enough to realize they don't know it all.

 

[macleod1021]

Hands Down, programming. Even while I was working on the dark side, I still programmed at night for fun. I would also take every opportunity to make an app to help others when I could. I agree 100% on the creative aspect (although I got kinda dulled out doing hardware). It's a great feeling to think of something and then make it happen. And now with the advent of plug and play networks, the network engineers job is starting to become more of an administrator than an engineer.