newbie to Macs can't get on net

[pawz]

hello all, I have a couple of Macs here, a PowerMac8600 and a PowerMacG3. I got the 8600 on the net via our broadband router with no problems some months back, but I can't get the G3, arrived today,to connect. It knows its IP address, subnet mask and mac address and the router sees it. I dont need anything but tcp/ip do I - I dont need it to see the PC's on the LAN. When I call up IE5 on the Mac it says it can't find the server. If I have a guest PC on the network I can get that straight on, so why not this machine? I have tried it with Appletalk active and inactive without success. It must be something really small and silly, but not being used to Macs it is evading me. It is not a serious need, I would just like to see how it runs and whether or not I could persuade it to take OS X ( it is 8.6 I think). I see there is nothing in the chooser but appleshare and printers, is that right?. I wonder if it was previously set up to access via a proxy server but dont know where to look to find out, or if that would be significant now.

any small shoves in the right direction would be appreciated

 

[pawz]

ps the specific message is "The specified server could not be found". I have checked that my e-mail details are correct.

 

[chiph]

Do you have a MAC filter on your firewall? I had to add my Mac mini to mine before it could see the network.

Chip H.


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[pawz]

ah, don't think so Chip - the other Mac gets on ok. I expect it is something the previous user has configured, but I do not know enough about Macs to identify the possible cause. It was networked before I think, but I found I had to install IE5, although it was resident on the machine, and there is an extension for something called Asante Ethernet options, which is disabled.
If I boot the machine up with extensions it takes a long time to get to desktop so I can use the mouse. If I boot it up without extensions it is fine, so something is gumming up the works a bit. I am presently disabling all the extensions I think are not essential to see if that makes a difference. I shall probably get something wrong, but that is how you learn innit.

 

[ObviousTroll]

The one thing I don't hear you mentioning is DNS. Is the G3's DNS configured the same as the old Mac?

Can the windows machine ping the g3?

 

[pawz]

hello OT. Forgive me if I am answering a different question to the one you asked.

In the TCP/IP control Panel

it is connected via Ethernet
It is configured to Using DHCP Server
The DHCP Client ID is set to 192.168.1.102
The IP address ( however) is stated to be 192.168.1.101,but even if I change the DHCP client to match it makes no diff
The subnet mask is 255.255.255.0
The router address is 192.168.1.1

is that what you wanted to know?

 

[ObviousTroll]

You're still missing a piece.

I don't have an OS 8 box to check, but somewhere there should be a field defining the DNS Server or Name Server. This server is responsible for translating names like "

http://www.tek-tips.com"

into IP addresses.

This information can be provided by the DHCP server, or it can be specified by hand.

 

[pawz]

there is a named server address - but I thought that was optional. Don't think it was required on the other Mac,but that is a 9.1, if that makes a diff.

I did the help me set up tcp/ip thing, where it draws red circles round each required input box; that indicated I could leave that box blank if I didn't know the name - what am I supposed to put in there then? Not a friendly address like

http://www.google.co.uk

I spose...?

The TCP/IP is 2.0.3, as is the Open Transport - is that a protocol as well?

 

[ObviousTroll]

No, it has to be an IP address. One thing you might want to do is

Not sure about the Open Transport.

Here's an idea for getting the IP address of your DNS server:

1. Log onto your windows box.
2. Open a CMD window
3. Type "nslookup

http://www.google.co.uk".

the result should look like this:

Server: ???????
Address: ????????

Non-authoritative answer:

http://www.google.co.uk

canonical name =

http://www.google.com.

http://www.google.com

canonical name =

http://www.google.akadns.net.

Name:

http://www.google.akadns.net

Address: 64.233.187.104
Name:

http://www.google.akadns.net

Address: 64.233.187.99

the top two lines that say "server" and "address" are the name and IP address of your name server. Copy the Address into the DNS field in your network settings on the Mac. Hopefully, that will solve your problem.

 

[pawz]

well thank you for that OT, it did not work,but I appreciate the info for future ref.

The server was cache1.ntli.net
the address was 194.168.4.100

I put the IP address only but it still returned the same error message when I tried to access the web. Should I have put the server in as well I wonder? I will give it a try.

Meanwhile - thank you. Don't want you to bash your brains out on my behalf on such a non-essential problem. I will sort it eventually I am sure

 

[chiph]

If you have a hardware firewall/gateway/router (like a LinkSys box), you'd typically point the DNS address to it, and it will do your DNS queries for you. The address you posted sounds like your ISP's DNS server, and you shouldn't query against it directly, as the router will not let the replies through it's firewall.

BTW, if you're using DHCP, all this should be set automatically.

Chip H.


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[pawz]

yes, chips, I think I understand that (It is a LinkSys)and I supposed that was being done automatically via DHCP. Such is the case with the other Mac I believe, which gets on with no trouble, and I did the same for this one, so I think the problem lies elsewhere. The Mac appears on the routers active IP table. Puzzle Puzzle. How do you troubleshoot Macs I wonder. I dont need a Mac to Lan protocol do I, I just want it to get on the net, not see the other boxes. Ah well..

 

[pawz]

whey-hey!! I's on. It WAS proxies getting in the way. Found them, unticked them and up pops Google. Thank you for your help folks. Big cheesy grin anmd night-night

Gracie