MS claims on I.E.6 @ insight uk seminar 17/02/2006

[1DMF]

Hello,

I have just returned from London having spent the day @ the insight UK I.T. conference/seminar/event.

With interest I sat and listened to Peter Mei who flew in from the states to give a very impressive presentation regarding MS and their 4.5 billion dollar commitment to security due to the accepted "bad name" in the industry MS has regarding security.

I later went to the MS stand to speak with Peter as I had some questions regarding his speech and security that didn't seem feesable in an SBS server environmet (which I will post another discussion in the server forum regarding this)

However, as some oneelse was talking to him regarding a slightly different issue, we got side tracked onto IE.6 & IE.7

I asked if IE.7 was to be fully CSS compliant as the web community is anticipating and MS so boldly claim.

I mentioned the problem web developers have regarding IE.6, quirks mode, holly hacks and the CSS nightmare that is currently causing so many headaches within the community.

To which he replied and I quote "IE6 is 100% CSS compliant" and confirmed that "there will be no issue with backward compatability with IE7 once released with Windows Vista later this year".

Now this has left me rather confused! Some of you who know me on Tek-Tip, know that I have spent months trying to be as compiant as possible and port my code over to X/HTML - CSS, and a lot of the headache and frustration I have sufferd is mainly because IE.6 is the worst offender of being non-compliant.

Which means both cannot be right? Like most I am not technical in some of these areas enough to know which is right and which is wrong.

So can some one please tell me is IE6 CSS compliant or not. Do these holly hacks exist and will they break when IE.7 is released?

Regards,
1DMF





"In complete darkness we are all the same, only our knowledge and wisdom separates us, don't let your eyes deceive you.

 

[feherke]

Hi

Sadly your question lacks the number of CSS version, but anyway, neighter CSS 1 is fully implemented, CSS 2 even less.

Just a quick list of things I sucked with. Explorer 6 has no idea of :
[ul]
[li][tt]first-line[/tt], [tt]first-letter[/tt] pseudo elements[/li]
[li][tt]before[/tt], [tt]after[/tt] pseudo elements[/li]
[li][tt]fixed[/tt] positioning[/li]
[li][tt]border-spacing[/tt] property[/li]
[/ul]
Beside this, there is no menu command to change between alternate stylesheets, so you have to write script for that.

So I really hope that Explorer 7 will not be fully compatible with its ancestors. ( Can anyone tell me if any of the above issues changed in Exporer 7 beta ? )

For a better overview of Explorer features(?) anyone can take a look at the W3C CSS test suites :

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/Test/

Feherke.

http://rootshell.be/~feherke/

 

[smah]

Feherke,

Point me to some specific examples & I'll be happy to check.

Steve

 

[feherke]

Hi

I have to apologies, the problem is with [tt]first-child[/tt], not [tt]first-line[/tt]. And yes, now I see that the W3C test suites looks pretty good with Explorer too. I based the above post on the following cases :
[ul]
[li][tt]first-child[/tt] - the first line in each box ( script, man, ... ) should be 0px indented and bold

http://rootshell.be/~feherke/

[/li]
[li][tt]before[/tt] - the entries in the boxes ( oldaltérkép, elérhet?ség, ... ) should be bulletted with a small image

http://script.fplanet.hu

[/li]
[li][tt]fixed[/tt] - the menu on the right should be fixed

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/

[/li]
[li][tt]border-spacing[/tt] - the vertical box border should be continuous

http://script.fplanet.hu

[/li]
[/ul]
( I am sorry for the example in hungarian. I have no time to search for other examples. )

All above works fine with Mozilla 1.0.1, 1.8b, Firefox 1.5, Opera 1.8, Phoenix 0.5, Konqueror 3.0.3, 3.4.0.

Feherke.

http://rootshell.be/~feherke/

 

[feherke]

Hi

And of course, neighter the [tt]:hover[/tt] pseudo-class works correctly, this is why the pure CSS menus needs a behaviour file in Explorer, to handle the [tt]onMouseOver[/tt]/[tt]onMouseOut[/tt] events with JavaScript.

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/testMenu.html

Feherke.

http://rootshell.be/~feherke/