scristaldi
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Have a workstation with IDE and would like to move/clone IDE to a new system with SATA drive.
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move IDE to SATA
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rclarke250
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so go ahead, is there a question here?
rclarke250
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You will run into driver issues on the system with the sata as the chipset will be different. So it may not boot, unless you inject the drivers into the system before cloning the drive. You also could run into other issues because of drivers. Why would you want to clone a drive from an old system board, to a newer system with different chipsets?
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Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 2.0 (don't be mislead by the SSD part here, it also copies to other HDD's - tested)
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scristaldi
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Why would you want to clone a drive from an old system board, to a newer system with different chipsets?
Proprietary system (10 years old, vendor gone). Want to move to newer hardware.
Proprietary system (10 years old, vendor gone). Want to move to newer hardware.
goombawaho
MIS
I laughed!!!
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Very good reason. Better get an image of the current hard drive before you do anything. Then you can experiment all over the place.
goombawaho
MIS
Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 2.0
This looks pretty sweet AND cheap. I could do the same thing with Ghost, but I'd have to move the extra data off first (assuming smaller destination SSD) and then put it back later on the old traditional hard drive.
This looks pretty sweet AND cheap. I could do the same thing with Ghost, but I'd have to move the extra data off first (assuming smaller destination SSD) and then put it back later on the old traditional hard drive.
hairlessupportmonkey
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I just dont know why ppl dont simply rebuild the OS and copy across docs, pics and such like.
In my eyes, its going to be less painful, quicker and if you already have legit copies of software etc, less expensive that forking out for clone apps.
/shakes head
ACSS - SME
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In my eyes, its going to be less painful, quicker and if you already have legit copies of software etc, less expensive that forking out for clone apps.
/shakes head
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goombawaho
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Mr. Monkey: Price per license of Paragon Migrate: $19.95 How cheap are you??
Ghost or other imaging software is good to have (almost mandatory) if you're going to be out in the field. I can justify it easily. If you're one dude sitting in a room with one computer and you never leave, I'd agree - don't buy anything.
Ghost or other imaging software is good to have (almost mandatory) if you're going to be out in the field. I can justify it easily. If you're one dude sitting in a room with one computer and you never leave, I'd agree - don't buy anything.
goombawaho
MIS
One more thing - here's a sweet package that not only gets you an SSD, but Ghost that you can use on many other occasions. I'm going to try to find a customer to upgrade and keep the Ghost - with their permission of course.
Cheaper at the Egg too.
Cheaper at the Egg too.
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scristaldi
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Monkey,
And how do you move all the applications?
And how do you move all the applications?
rclarke250
Technical User
Well, you say it's a 10 year old proprietary system, and want to move to newer hardware. How do you know if the system will support the newer hardware? You give us no information as to the system, OS, or applications you want to use on the system. Is it windows? Linux? Unix? Are we supposed to read your mind, as to what you are trying to accomplish? How are you supposed to move the applications? You install from the media it came on. Or as suggested, use a migration program. You didn't even ask a question in the original post, you made a statement! If you don't know how to ask the question, how do we know how to answer it?
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hairlessupportmonkey
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as i say, if you have the apps already just reinstall them.
I just know this is going to be a painful experience for you.
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I just know this is going to be a painful experience for you.
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goombawaho
MIS
Jeez - people are crankier than me in this thread. But.... there are major issues.
1. Application installation vs. cloning entire
2. Application compatibility with a possibly new O.S. version
3. Licensing
4. Hardware compatibility/migrating to different hardware
5. Wild card - USB or Parallel port "dongle"
1. Application installation vs. cloning entire
2. Application compatibility with a possibly new O.S. version
3. Licensing
4. Hardware compatibility/migrating to different hardware
5. Wild card - USB or Parallel port "dongle"
scristaldi,
Let's start with the basics.
1) What OS does the old system have?
2) What OS are you planning on moving towards?
3) Do you have each application's installation disc?
4) How much experience do you have installing Windows from scratch, cloning/backing up hard drives, and playing in the registry?
The first three are important, but it wouldn't be right to make any suggestions without knowing more about your background.
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Let's start with the basics.
1) What OS does the old system have?
2) What OS are you planning on moving towards?
3) Do you have each application's installation disc?
4) How much experience do you have installing Windows from scratch, cloning/backing up hard drives, and playing in the registry?
The first three are important, but it wouldn't be right to make any suggestions without knowing more about your background.
-Carl
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You might look at running it as a virtual machine on your new hardware using VMware and their VMWare converter. Works great, I have used this on several systems with them up and running
Good info here
Norm
Good info here
Norm
FredWagner
MIS
The VM solution could be excellent, as long as you're not encumbered with a security dongle of some sort - USB, or worse,a parallel port dongle...
Fred Wagner
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scristaldi
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cdogg (TechnicalUser)
5 Mar 12 10:05
scristaldi,
Let's start with the basics.
1) What OS does the old system have?
2) What OS are you planning on moving towards?
3) Do you have each application's installation disc?
4) How much experience do you have installing Windows from scratch, cloning/backing up hard drives, and playing in the registry?
1. XP PRO
2. XP PRO
3 NO
4 my guess, above average.
5 Mar 12 10:05
scristaldi,
Let's start with the basics.
1) What OS does the old system have?
2) What OS are you planning on moving towards?
3) Do you have each application's installation disc?
4) How much experience do you have installing Windows from scratch, cloning/backing up hard drives, and playing in the registry?
1. XP PRO
2. XP PRO
3 NO
4 my guess, above average.
There are many ways you can do this, and they all have a risk associated. So with that in mind, the very first thing you want to do is make a copy of your drive. Clonezilla is popular free tool you can use for that (though it's not the most intuitive).
Once you have a verified backup off to the side in a safe place, follow these steps on your old system:
Important! You must have a retail copy of XP before trying any of this. OEM copies will not work.
(This procedure was taken from here and slightly modified)
1. Start Windows making sure you're logged on as an Administrator.
2. Insert the XP CD in the CD drive.
3. Let Autorun start.
4. Click on Install.
5. Select the "Upgrade [recommended]" option from the Windows Setup window Installation Type list.
6. Click Next
7. Follow on screen prompts until computer restarts.
8. Turn off computer before it has a chance to boot back up.
9. Use Clonezilla again to clone your IDE drive over to the new SATA drive
Note: You will need a USB-to-SATA adapter to hook your SATA drive up to your old PC. CablesToGo has a nice one for $33:
10. Install the SATA drive back in the new PC
11. Turn it on and immediately access the BIOS (F1, F2, F10, etc.)
12. Find the SATA hard drive mode setting and change it from AHCI to IDE (may say something like "Emulated IDE")
13. Insert the Windows CD and then "Save and exit" the BIOS
14. Allow the system to boot (ignore "Press a key to boot from CD")
15. The upgrade should automatically resume from step 7 where we last left off. The setup should:
- Install the HAL [Hardware Abstract Layer]
- Install IDE controller drivers [Hard Drive]
- Other basic drivers
After you're able to get into Windows, you can finish installing XP drivers from the PC manufacturer's website (or motherboard manufacturer's website if it's custom-built). Once the drivers are all installed, use Windows Update to install OS updates (you will likely have to reapply some updates and service packs you did in the past, depending on how recent your Windows XP CD is).
Final note: This is not the best procedure to follow to get the most performance out of your system. For one, you will be stuck in IDE mode. There are some lengthy procedures to get around that, but that is beyond the scope of this thread. Second, a clean install (meaning install from scratch) is usually the best way to go. You get a clean registry and you can easily insert the SATA driver which will enhance performance. However, the one upside to all this is that you won't have to reinstall all your legacy applications.
-Carl
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Once you have a verified backup off to the side in a safe place, follow these steps on your old system:
Important! You must have a retail copy of XP before trying any of this. OEM copies will not work.
(This procedure was taken from here and slightly modified)
1. Start Windows making sure you're logged on as an Administrator.
2. Insert the XP CD in the CD drive.
3. Let Autorun start.
4. Click on Install.
5. Select the "Upgrade [recommended]" option from the Windows Setup window Installation Type list.
6. Click Next
7. Follow on screen prompts until computer restarts.
8. Turn off computer before it has a chance to boot back up.
9. Use Clonezilla again to clone your IDE drive over to the new SATA drive
Note: You will need a USB-to-SATA adapter to hook your SATA drive up to your old PC. CablesToGo has a nice one for $33:
10. Install the SATA drive back in the new PC
11. Turn it on and immediately access the BIOS (F1, F2, F10, etc.)
12. Find the SATA hard drive mode setting and change it from AHCI to IDE (may say something like "Emulated IDE")
13. Insert the Windows CD and then "Save and exit" the BIOS
14. Allow the system to boot (ignore "Press a key to boot from CD")
15. The upgrade should automatically resume from step 7 where we last left off. The setup should:
- Install the HAL [Hardware Abstract Layer]
- Install IDE controller drivers [Hard Drive]
- Other basic drivers
After you're able to get into Windows, you can finish installing XP drivers from the PC manufacturer's website (or motherboard manufacturer's website if it's custom-built). Once the drivers are all installed, use Windows Update to install OS updates (you will likely have to reapply some updates and service packs you did in the past, depending on how recent your Windows XP CD is).
Final note: This is not the best procedure to follow to get the most performance out of your system. For one, you will be stuck in IDE mode. There are some lengthy procedures to get around that, but that is beyond the scope of this thread. Second, a clean install (meaning install from scratch) is usually the best way to go. You get a clean registry and you can easily insert the SATA driver which will enhance performance. However, the one upside to all this is that you won't have to reinstall all your legacy applications.
-Carl
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