moores Law 2

[gunthnp]

will it bad or good for the computer industry if we got rid of moores law

with out moores law will we see computer going in to thing we know will be around in a while
most think can not be replace in three years to keepup with moores law so if we did not have this fast past what other thing would get a computer in it

gunthnp

 

[manarth]

"will it bad or good for the computer industry if we got rid of moores law"

well, it's not exactly a legal statute you know!

http://www.intel.com/research/silicon/mooreslaw.htm

Moore's law is all about development: we're making chips faster.

Why on earth should we stop making them faster?
Or perhaps we should suspend technological development altogether?


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[dilettante]

Don't try to tell that to my State Legislature. Just wasting your breath.

 

[gunthnp]

its worse then that its a bussness model

gunthnp

 

[strongm]

Er...

 

[AIXSPadmin]

Moore's Law states that the number of transistors per square inch on integrated circuits has doubled every year since the ic was invented. This has slowed, but the data density has doubled in less than every two years, and is the current definition of Moore's Law.

So in reality because of technical advances it will be as archaic as the feudal system of the middle ages. And the definition has already changed from its penning.

 

[gunthnp]

no it always been 18 months and still is but what I am saying is the fact that computers have devloped so fast and still do what kind of new uses for the computer would we have if we had a slower paces like computer power dubling every 5 years in stead of 18 months

gunthnp

 

[manarth]

this sounds like it's leading to &quot;the good old days&quot; discussion: thread656-481165

when we were a lad, we programmed EFFICIENT code, none of this pansy windows coding like you get these days, like...

OK, so if computers didn't get faster, maybe we would start becoming more efficient programmers to cope with the lack of speed... but hey - we've got the speed, why not make use of it? I think the increase in speed has led to a different approach in programming (where efficient code isn't necessarily the top priority) but the innovation in terms of software advances is still there.

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[cdogg]

gunthnp,
&quot;[blue]will it bad or good for the computer industry if we got rid of moores law[/blue]&quot;

I don't see how one gets rid of Moore's Law. If I understand you correctly, you're asking what would happen if technology would stop following Moore's Law and slow in pace?

Well, the problem is that Moore's Law is just an observation - not something that has any effect on the pace of advancement. I'm not sure I understand the point of discussing what things would be like had Gordon Moore been wrong.




~cdogg

&quot;The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.&quot;
- A. Einstein

 

[xutopia]

Moore and Murphy's laws will never again bother us again if I become president! I also plan to invest in education rather than cutting tax so the wealthy can make more money. Vote for me!!!

Just kidding though Moore's law will hit a brick wall and that is why we are looking at other interesting things like quantum computing :

http://www.qubit.org/

The reason why Moore's law will hit a brick wall is simple. A transistor can only be so small. Eventually we'll be using nanotechnology and perhaps biological elements to create our processors. That will be interesting indeed.

I enjoy the fact that things go faster and faster. I hate though that we constantly have to upgrade to keep up. Lately thought I've been staying with my 950Mhz and been doing fine with it. It will be a while before I upgrade again.

Gary

http://www.xutopia.com

Haran
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[KornGeek]

<Votes for xutopia>
Yeah! Repeal them damn unconstitutional laws!

I recently upgrade from my Pentium 133 to a Pentium 4 3.0GHz (I think that's what it is). It will be a long time before I upgrade again. Unfortunately, the money in my wallet isn't doubling every 18 months. :-(

 

[manarth]

I recently bought the cheapest components I could find - a M/B (built in LAN / Video / Audio), 1300 Duron, & 128MB Ram for under £100 (GBP).

Moore than fast enough for the task it'll be running!

<marc>

 

[jwenting]

The reason why Moore's law will hit a brick wall is simple. A transistor can only be so small. Eventually we'll be using nanotechnology and perhaps biological elements to create our processors. That will be interesting indeed.

That's what they thought when they were running out of what silicon could do too...

 

[guestgulkan]

My observation (lets call it 'GuestGulkan law' if you will ) is that the 'speed' or lack of it of a compueter is
not due to the CPU.

CPU's are fast --- in the high hundreds or low giga hertz.
RAM is fast --- access time measured in nanoseconds.

here is the problem:
Floppy disks - don't even register on the speed scale.
Hard disks -- measured in milli seconds.
CDROMS --- measured in milliseconds.
ASDL/cable --- measured in Kilobits
modems --- measured in kilobits.

There is almost a 1 million times disparity between the RAM and secondary storage mediums.

Also the CPU can probably clock data at Gigabit speed, but current modems can only manage kilobits - another one million times discrepency.


The man that can design a hard disk with access times to match the RAM speed, or design a modem that could do even 100mBit down a Plain Old Telephone wire will make a absolute FORTUNE

 

[strongm]

Ah - but of course you pay a premium for that nanosecond RAM access time.

Lets see. A quoted price for 256MB 166 MHz / DDR333/PC2700 memory, UK price approx £50. Which makes it about £200 per gigabyte. Which means that the 120GB drives that seem to be all the rage at the moment would come in at £2400 for an equivalent RAM solution, rather than the approx £100 (Seagate Barracuda 120GB SATA drive) an equivalent HD actually costs.

So that man won't make a fortune. Not unless he gets the costs down as well.

 

[Grenage]

I'm sure the days of &quot;Hard Drives&quot; Simply being big bundles of RAM are not far away...

 

[dkediger]

&quot;Solid State&quot; drives have been around for years, there's just that little cost difference that strongm outlined above:

http://www.geek.com/htbc/dreamwork/soliddrwk.htm

 

[guestgulkan]

What ever happened to bubble memory - wasn't that supposed to have been the answer to this problem??

 

[sleipnir214]

Development of bubble memory stopped in the mid '80s. Technologies like EEPROM and NVRAM and less expensive hard drives make it obsolete.


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[cdogg]

sleipnir214,
Showing your age on that one!!
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