Microsoft phasing out Visual Interdev? 1

[uncleroydee]

Some one has told me that Microsoft is phasing out Visual Interdev. Tell me it isn't so!

Does anyone have any good information about this?

 

[NickBulka]

Yes, it is true. Visual Studio 7 will be a new approach to web development. The current issue of VBPJ has a preview:

http://www.devx.com/upload/free/features/vbpj/2000/08aug00/ts0008/tsov0008/tsov0008.asp

nick bulka

 

[culshaja]

I am a .Net beta tester and it does not appear in Visual Studio .Net. ASP will be replaced by ASP+ which is pure Visual Basic. C# is also used.
Microsoft are using the idea of 'Web Forms' (not HTML FORM!!) and other new technologies.

James James Culshaw
jculshaw@active-data-solutions.co.uk

http://www.active-data-solutions.co.uk

http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=193305

 

[Karl Blessing]

Will this at all affect which browsers can view it, and in any case sometimes the "old" method works best. If not visual interdev, what will we be using, just VB and some other tools with the .net support built in?
Karl
kb244@kb244.com

http://www.kb244.com

Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)

http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=629151

 

[culshaja]

Depends on how you view things. The .Net vision and tools are platform independant. Microsoft has built something similra to the JVM and done some other stuff so it is neutral. I don't know how browser neutral it will be though...
If you are building for the inernet and multi-browsers then many other IDEs will do the job just aswell. There is nothing to stop you using Interdev either. The only reason to use Visual Studio .Net will be if you are going to start using ASP+ rather than ASP, and as the use of ASP+ will mean a server upgrade then I guess it won't affect you for a while.
Also, a thing to remember is that Microsoft is not planning to ship Visual Studio .Net until late next year. There is a lot of time to see how things pan out.

James
James Culshaw
jculshaw@active-data-solutions.co.uk

http://www.active-data-solutions.co.uk

http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=193305

 

[Karl Blessing]

ok , basically it's like this, ASP as I Write it, HAS to be browser independant, which is why i always do Vbscript on serverside, javascript on client side, if .Net incorporates too many client side things (such as C# which will require a Virtual machine, and even then you cant be confident that many platforms will have a supported VM)

Also I mentioned easier, because there are some cases where doing the simple ASP serves a much better purpose than fooling around with WebForms. If you know what I mean.

Out of the whole .Net package, the only think I kind of frown upon is C#, sure it may seem great if it were a Serverside language, but microsoft is hoping to take the market from Java with this C#, the only problem I have is, that's like trying to take Linux out of the market with Windows, one is free the other is not.

Don't want to bore you, so I'll leave it at that.
Karl
kb244@kb244.com

http://www.kb244.com

Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)

http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=629151

 

[palbano]

Karl,

> .Net incorporates too many client side things (such as C# which will require a Virtual machine

Only if you are deploying your components as an application or client side components. Web components can be 'server side' only and produce browser independant code. That is what the 'Web Forms' part of ASP+ does.

-pete

 

[Karl Blessing]

also note I said "if..." not that it did, also WebForms and ASP+ seems like a little more work than needed for a simple thing, thats what I meant, for some of those simple write ups for people who would rather make it HTML-Like (and I dont belive that Microsoft's .Net is going to take Netscape's DHTML&DOM limitations in focus)

But why phase out Interdev, why not have a .Net enhanced version of Interdev?
Karl
kb244@kb244.com

http://www.kb244.com

Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)

http://www.brainbench.com/transcript.jsp?pid=629151