um, they wernt forced to take out "Java" they were forced to remove their Windows-Based Java native code, in essence the whole deal was, Sun Systems had a lawsuit with M$ for making their IE browser, not accept any Java applet unless it was one of two things.
1) Created with VJ++
2) Created where it will only work under the Windows OS
in essense C# Defies the purpose and buety of Java, they do say that C# will be universal (Given someone decides to write a C# VM for a particular OS) about the only good thing that they took from java in this new language was the garbage handeling, other than that, 100% access to underlying system, giving developers more permisions, and user's less protection, it defy the buety of Java, very typical of microsoft when they dont take the End users in consideration, and only the Developer's and other software companies, because they are more likely to pay the big bucks, where as we end users do not have much choice unless we decide to smarten up and goto linux or something, but even then due to the software developers who pay microsoft for their development tools, continue to make a majority of products on Windows.
Karl
kb244@kb244.com
Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)