Merlin Magix or Legend 150 analog SLS config. 3

[djtt]

I understand that Merlin parts are very inexpensive and built like tanks.

The product has been around for ages.

What version and parts configuration of Merlin Legend or Magix would suggest and model number that includes AA and VM for about 150 analog SLS?

Thanks!

 

[djtt]

P.S. I have worked on Partner and the small Merlin systems with the BIS-10 before. Is programming pretty eas?

 

[dagwoodsystems]

1. How many outside lines will you be needing?

2. Are you expecting voicemail to provide coverage for all 150 extensions?

3. What is the furthest distance between PBX room and analog extension?

Tim Alberstein

http://www.dagwoodsystems.com

 

[Dexman]

Looking just at the Magix telephone system itself,

Just to cover the 150 analog extensions alone, you would need (10) 016 T/R cards. For the voicemail, you would add an Avaya Merlin Messaging with a license that provides a suitable number of ports for you application. Plan on adding a 412 TDL to provide a connection for a programming console (4424LD+). You would need a base carrier and 2 expansion carriers. Finally you will need modules to connect to the service provider. With such a large number of extensions, you would probably be looking at multiple T1s.


If it ain't broke, I haven't fixed it yet.

 

[djtt]

Thanks. A total of 8 POTS lines. VM and AA to cover all 150 rooms. This is a small motel/Hostel.

How many carriers can the Magix expand to.

BTW what is the difference between the Legend and Magix?

 

[Dexman]

I think you can add 2 expansion carriers to the Magix for a grand total of 3 carriers.

The Merlin Magix evolved from the Merlin Legend. The R7 Legend (final release) has the same 80 line/200 extension limits as the Magix. The Legend will support Classic Merlin telephones while the Magix supports 4400 digital telephones.

Take a look at the 4400 series single line telephone. It might be a suitable alternative to using S/L analog telephones. If you go with that telephone, you will need only (7) 024 TDL modules. Those modules feature Amphenol connectors which can help make for a neat installation.

Avaya discontinued the Magix back in 2006. Available hardware, for the most part, is now refurbished, but there is a lot of it out there and will be for a long time to come.

Also, if my memory serves me, it has been suggested that there are better choices for hotel/motel voicemail applications than the Avaya Merlin Messaging. The brand & model escapes me, but one of the lead posters might have that information.

If it ain't broke, I haven't fixed it yet.

 

[Dexman]

For 8 POTs lines the 800GS/LS-ID would work well. You might want to consider installing a 2nd one for possible future expansion.

If it ain't broke, I haven't fixed it yet.

 

[dagwoodsystems]

Slot Board (cab #1)
0 Proc
1 412TDL
2 800GS/LS-ID
3-5 016TR

(cab #2)
6-10 016TR
11 Merlin Messaging

(cab #3)
12-13 016TR


Do NOT use the 617F34 016TR blades unless you can be sure that they have either been tested or reworked by Avaya.

Tim Alberstein

http://www.dagwoodsystems.com

 

[tdaugirdas]

I would probably go with a Legend version of this system - if for no other reason - the frequent problem issues with the Magix versions of the 016 T/R modules. The Legend versions are rock-solid and a fraction of the cost. You can still make this Magix-like - by using a 4412 TDL module in a Legend clamshell for your Administration phones.

Tom Daugirdas,
President
STCG, Inc.
stcg.com

 

[djtt]

Thanks. There will only be one admin phone at the front desk all others will be SLS. BTW what are the costs of the 4400 sets vs an inexpensive analog SLS.

 

[tdaugirdas]

It's not the cost of the Magix phones per se that is the issue - it is that the cost of the 412 or 024 TDL modules is still fairly high - a used 4406D+ telephone is probably in the $25 to $50 range.

Tom Daugirdas,
President
STCG, Inc.
stcg.com

 

[djtt]

They already have imbedded analog SLS at each jack.

 

[dagwoodsystems]

I understood that this was a hospitality or hotel/motel application. You lost me when you described each room's analog phone as being "expensive" and "imbedded".

I've already gotten my exercise for the the day, so please be a bit more forthcoming with the details.

Tim Alberstein

http://www.dagwoodsystems.com

 

[Dexman]

The 4400 series phones are similar to analog phones in that they need only 1 pair of wires to operate. The 4400 and 4400D phones also price in the same range as the 4406D+.

If you poke around the Internet, you can see what the ballpark price range is for the 412 TDL module.

If it ain't broke, I haven't fixed it yet.

 

[djtt]

Can Partner Mail ( the old metal box ) be used with this configuration?

 

[TouchToneTommy]

Nope

 

[djtt]

So the 412TDL card will allow for 4 Lop Lines and the use of up to 12 system station sets? Is the programming done thru the station sets like Partner? If not what is the porgramming interface?

Thanks!

 

[Dexman]

The 412 allows connection of 4 POTs lines (loop start or ground start) and (12) 4400-series telephones.

You would slide the 412 into the slot to the right of the processor, connect a 4424LD+ set and use it to program the system.

If it ain't broke, I haven't fixed it yet.

 

[djtt]

Thanks

 

[dagwoodsystems]

The 412TDL board supports loop-start trunks only.

As a programming console, the 4424LD+ phone will need to be connected to the first logical port on the PBX (a default that can be changed).

Also note that the 4424LD+ requires an external supply to power it's oversized display. Though it looks like your typical block transformer, it is distinguishable by the two 4P4C jacks (often called RJ-11) on it's underside which are marked LINE and TEL.

Tim Alberstein

http://www.dagwoodsystems.com