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Leave policy?

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aixmurderer

IS-IT--Management
Nov 28, 2000
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NZ
At my place of work it seems the more redundant your position is the easier it is to get leave.

Example: Some staff are allowed to take a month's leave in one go no problem, others battle to get 2 weeks, usually with a lot of pre-requisites attached before granting it.

I'm not talking about different levels of personnel, in this case all staff are more or on the same authority level and salaries. The main difference is that the staff who gets the longer leave are less competent so they cannot stand in for the others who would also dearly like to take 4 weeks leave. Management expects from the competants to automatically assume the work of the long-leavers without questions.

Anyone else experienced the same? How could this be raised with management without rubbing people up wrong?

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There could be a few missing variables from this equation, such as seniority of the individuals, the reason behind the leave requests, the status of project that the people are involved with, how much lead time was given before making the leave requests, who else is going to be on leave at the same time, and perhaps other issues as well.

There is also the political connections aspect of the equation.

You make an obvious implication directly in your question as the why this is the case and you may be correct in that as well.

I'm real surprised that you, being in IS/IT Management (by your chosen classification) would not be aware of these things, and even further surprised that you are aware of and admitting to the knowledge of these people being "... on the same authority level and salaries." Personally, I wouldn't go around sharing the knowledge that I had about people's salaries.

How to bring this to management attention rubbing people up wrong (or without causing great embarrassment to yourself)? Without a lot more information about the situation, I'm sorry, but I can't even venture a guess.

Good Luck
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As a circle of light increases so does the circumference of darkness around it. - Albert Einstein
 
CajunCenturion - Perhaps a wrong choice of words, but what I am trying to get across is that our roles according to management are at the same level of responsibility or seniority, therefore the reference to same salaries.

As for annual leave requests, I see no reason to provide a reason for requesting leave, it is an entitlement and it has nothing to do with management what I am going to do in my leave period.

The problem is that there are always projects on the go, so effectively some staff can never take leave, while others who have no real project involvement can come and go as they please.



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So, what you're trying to say, is the more valuable you are to the company, the less likely you are to get to take the vacation they give you?

Chip H.
 
But not enough more valuable to merit more money.

Been there, done that. Ended up gone.

Ed Fair
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Whereas it is true that leave is an entitlement that you've earned, that does not mean that you can take it whenever you so desire. It is quite reasonable to schedule leaves in advance so that the company can make the necessary resource adjustments to work around being short-staffed. What you do during your leave is entrely up to you of course, but when you take that leave does impact the company and do have some input in that regard.

That being said, requesting immediate leave to deal with a family emergency for example, is one case where most management personnel will place your personal needs over the needs of the company and approve your request. But that doesn't mean they'll share - nor should they - that information with everyone else.

You have, in other threads, shed some light into your situation and frankly, from what I've read, the situation that you're in has a lot more at stake then leave policies.

Good Luck
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As a circle of light increases so does the circumference of darkness around it. - Albert Einstein
 
Sorry guys, didn't want to bore you with my details, just wanted to find out if things are the same elsewhere or if our situation is unique. I'm not the only one affected by it, but is as "chiph" states.

Ed fair - you got it pinned down too, that is the situation I find myself in.

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aixmurderer -

You're not alone.

I'm sitting with almost 20 days of accrued vacation time, and little likelyhood of being able to take it.
[3eyes]

I wish they'd just pay me for some of it.

Chip H.
 
As for Senority, that is a double-edged sword. I am working with someone in the IT department at this company. They are the head admin. However, they have to almost beg for a single day off. It's all about who you know ...

I am Comptia A+ Certified
 
There's two of us here for about 100+.

I pretty much can take off whenever.

Pretty lucky I guess.
 
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