Item BOM for alternate materials 3

[silverbullet27]

We have a few parts that we desire to have the option to outsource. According to production\inventory control they have to edit the BOM to allow for this. How can Macola ES 9.5.300 handle this without this input.

The final stocked product would be a bolt with a hole through it. We want to be able to by bar stock and fully machine this in house, or buy a bolt and machine it in house to add the hole, or buy this complete from a vendor, can this be done by the same final part number?

I want\need these to end up as the same final part number because ultimate this bolt will go into a another assembly

Any thoughts?

 

[dgillz]

You can purchase a manufactured item with no issues, but you cannot manufacture a purchased item, because it has no bill of material.

I am not sure what your poroblem is precisely, perhaps you can elaborate?

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[silverbullet27]

Well, I am not sure what the problem is. I am being told that to purchase a part that we do not supply material PIC has to change the BOM.

Another step in the proces is we want to the ability purchase a partially finished manufactured item and then finish the manufacturing in-house.

I guess what I am asking is what is the proper BOM for the bolt I gave the in the example. I understand the manufactured from bar stock part would be something like

1 Bolt with hole
2 bar, steel

Now how do I accommodate an alternate material, a purchased bolt in this case and end up with the same parent number.

The BOM for the second case would look like

1 Bolt with hole
2 bolt

Can Macola handle variable BOMs like this? I am sure this is common, no?

Then I guess the third case we would just purchase the manufactured part, but how do you handle this when we are not providing material to the vendor? The BOM at that point is flat, just the final part number, ordered by drawing.

Another example, would be making the same part via differing methods, like one version could be a cast part, another could be a machined part, both parts are identical in function, but different materials go into making the part. Regardles of manufacturing process the end item needs to have the same part number to have a static BOM for the parent assembly.

I don't know if any of this makes sense, I think there has to be a way to do what I think macola can do. It is hard to get straight answers from anyone that actually uses this software at my company. They are stuck in there ways, and they believe macola is inadequate and requires all this user input to accomplish anything. I just think there should be options. I have never had any formal macola training so I don't know the proper terminology or lingo, but any help is appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[dgillz]

Macola does not keep multiple BOMs for a single item, I wish it did. You can however alter that captured bill on the POP or Shop order on a case by case basis, so the individual manufacturing order would have a different BOM and/or routing.

Are you using POP or SFC to manufacture? The process is a little different for each to maintain the captured BOM.

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[silverbullet27]

dgillz,

I believe we are using POP for now, I believe SFC is coming in the future but we are not there yet.

Thanks for your help, but from your answer it sounds like Macola is not equipped to handle this situation. That is unfortunate.

Thanks again.

 

[dgillz]

Yes you are correct Macola does not handle multiple BOMs per item. The only workarounds are editing the captured bill for each particular work order, or playing with the active/obsolete flags on the components. Not a pretty solution.

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[NEmacGuy]

Account is on ES, you could use rev's for different configs on a bill of material. One of the better features of ES (Mfg to a rev level).

 

[dgillz]

Please elaborate and tell us ow this works. If this is in ES I am happy to learn this and the OP needs to know as well.

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[NEmacGuy]

This post is intended for DGillz as a demonstration of a concept, and should not be put into production without testing, and a good understanding.

Lets try this.

1.) Macola Demo Company in ES

2.) Item Master - BIKEAS, Engineer Tab check Use ECM

3.) Item Master - BIKEAS, Change Mfg Method to PP

4.) Item Master - BIKEAS Click on Bill of Resource, Right Click on Parent Item BIKEAS, Enter Engineering Change, ECM Revision Number ALT1, Description = Standard BOM with 2 Bolts, click save, and now you should now be in the edit mode of the Engineering BOM (the BOM with unposted engineering changes)

5.) On the Engineering BOM add child item to BIKEAS, BOLT for whatever QTY.

6.) Post Engineering Changes

7.) The strange thing is our original data got into the system with out ECM data, so the system now only nows are alternate item, so were are going to repeat steps 4-6, but this time the ECM Revision of STD, and on the engineering BOM and we are going to delete the BOLT, then post the change.

8.) Now we can go to POP Manual Entry, and we enter Item Number BIKEAS, then which one do we want ? STD or ALT. Depending on which one we pick we will get a different captured BOM.

 

[dgillz]

I am ashamed of myself, I had no idea ES could do this. Many thanks.

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