Installing Wheelock Telbel 592 On Partner? 2

[IrishDeval]

Hello, can somebody give specifics on the installation of a Wheelock Telbel 592 ringer. The ringer operates on 18-30 volts and I am trying to install it with a single pair (Blue's) and plugging it into an empty station port and it is not working. The bell will ring constantly if put on the Orange pair. I guess I need the specific Mod-End pin-outs from somebody that has actually put one of these units in before. It is a new ACS and I have already put my Buttset on the station port and get dialtone on the blue pair. The instructions with the bell are vague. But it does say the tip & ring are Black & Yellow (Pins 2 & 5) if that helps. Didn't work for me either way. New Bell & new ACS, confused over here. Thanks

 

[hbiss]

Standard ring voltage is 90 volts. Your bell is 18-30 volts. Your bell is not a ringer and is not designed to be connected directly to a POTS line or a Partner station port.

Get the right ringer.

-Hal

 

[IrishDeval]

I was under the impression that the Partner system rings out at 24V on the blue pair from a station port on a Partner system and you are able to plug an analog telephone set into a station port using the blue pair? My testset works just fine when plugged into a Partner station port on the blue pair! The bell is for 18-30V and 40-60V. Does the Partner system ring out at 90V from a station port? I was under the impression for many years now that the ringing voltage from the Partner system was lower than standard 90V. Thanks for your thoughts though Hal.

 

[TouchToneTommy]

It's a bit lower, but it is still within the specs of a "POTS" line, to drive a standard analog 2500 set.

Do the instructions for your Telbel specify 18-30 volts DC? I'd bet that when you connect it across the tip and ring that it takes the station port off hook!

If you really have to use this device, you're going to need a 90VAC relay, and a DC power supply. The Partner station port will trigger the relay, and the DC power supply will provide the voltage to drive the Telbel.

Wheelock makes a 90VAC relay.

 

[hbiss]

What you want is the Wheelock Telbel #593. The 592 is for use with a power supply and a relay. You could use the Wheelock #RX-1419 relay with a plug-in 24VAC transformer to supply the #592.

-Hal

 

[IrishDeval]

Thanks for the replies, so if I go with the Telbel 593 (90V) and use the blue pair to the center modular pins (2 & 3) and plug it in at the ACS station port the bell should function just fine? If so I guess I can exchange the ringer bell for the 593 and be done.

 

[IrishDeval]

Thanks Hbiss, let me know if that is the case that I just need to swap the Telbel 592 for the Telbel 593 and plug it into the ACS station port (single pair) and all should be fine? Let me know. Thanks again.

 

[hbiss]

Yes that's what you want to do.

-Hal

 

[hbiss]

You may want to keep in mind (and to further complicate things) that line powered ringers will not be as loud as an independently powered device can be. This is because the ring voltage necesarily cannot supply a lot of current.

I don't know what your application is and if this is going to be a problem. I think you will find that a 24vac and relay powered 592 will be louder than a line powered 593. Furthermore you could simply add additional 592's in parallel for other areas if necessary (assuming a suitably sized transformer). Adding additional line powered ringers across the same line will load the line and at some point they will not ring.

-Hal

 

[ScoTTeL]

What about plugging a telbell into the aux jack of a 18D phone? What does the aux jack produce?

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[skip555]

the aux is just a pass thru for the first pair so it would be the same as plugging the bell directly into the station port

 

[IrishDeval]

Thanks for the replies, I have tried the Wheelock 592 & 593 and neither work with the ACS. I believe it is due to the amperage of the ACS. The 593 when plugged into a station port fuctions as supposed to but the ring is just a little pitter patter. And it's the same when plugged into
the Aux port. Just not enough push with the ACS amps.

I normally use the Wheelock WH-UTA-1 so that is what I am going back to. It has fuction just fine on the last 2 installs. I was just trying to get a louder ring for this particular customer shop and the 593 is a school style bell.

 

[hbiss]

It's because of what I said above as well as with the newer Partner equipment the ring voltage is lower than the older equipment and lower than what the standard ring voltage should be. I say this as a word of caution since you say the WH-UTA-1 worked for you in the past. It may work fine with some Partners and not on others.

This problem came to light a couple of years ago when the then Partner doorphone made by Viking would not pick up when you intercomed it. Other Viking products such as their elevator phone and another doorphone, both needing you to call into it for programming, would not pick up when connected to a Partner system either. When I stuck an old 206E mod in the carrier and used a port on that there was no problem. Seems the open circuit ring voltage is about 10 volts higher with the older stuff.

If I were you I would go with the 592, 24 volt transformer and relay. That way you get your big honkin bell and can be sure it will work.

-Hal

 

[skip555]

like I mentioned in the other thread look at the viking pa2a loud ring /page .

I put one in yesterday , one 5 watt horn in the middle of 60,000 square foot warehouse . moderate noise and I could it hear it fine all thru the warehouse and evan in the office . if I didnt have full coverage I could always add horn or two plus I have paging as bonus . and a choice of 4 ring tones . all for less then 100.00.

(the one I did yesterday was triggred by co ,but Im betting the acs puts out enough voltage to trigger it)

 

[hbiss]

Yes, that would be another good option also.

-Hal