If I have a site that I submit to t

[rhondabrabbin]

If I have a site that I submit to the search engines and load it with keywords and meta tags and then put a redirect to another page with the search engines still hit it (the first site)?

 

[ChrisHunt]

Depends how you do the redirect, if you send the HTTP header to say "this page has moved to xxx" then engines probably won't list the "moved" page. If you do it with Javascript then it will get listed, because SE bots don't run javascript.

Even if the page does get listed though, they're unlikely to rate it very highly. Almost all search engines ignore meta tags now, see

http://www.traffick.com/article.asp?aID=102

.

Also, some engines may view such "doorway" pages as abuse - and penalise your site accordingly. All-in-all you're better off spending your time and energy making better content for your actual site than making pointless doorway pages.

-- Chris Hunt

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[rhondabrabbin]

The problem is I am going to be selling a product and the company gives all the dealers their own website but doesn't allow you to promote it with keywords or search engine submission so that is why I was thinking of doing a site with all the search engine attraction and having it redirect to my dealer site.

 

[sailorjosh]

That company's expectations are absurd for several reasons. First, from a business standpoint, as long as you are selling their product and not doing advertising that alters their message, they ought to encourage you. Second, as Chris points out, your rank is largely determined by content. Does that mean writing content violates their rules against promotion with keywords? Third, once search engines find your site by crawling their from another link, say from this site or any other, then you may as well have been submitted. (At least for Google. Some engines won't include you unless you get a lot of traffic/links or if you pay them.)

Best of luck.


Josh Freedman
Search Engine Marketing

http://www.joshfreedman.com

"More Traffic, More Sales"

 

[rhondabrabbin]

I know I thought it was absurd too, but that is their rules and I really believe in this product so I need to follow their rules.
But I am making a site with nothing but content about the product and java script redirecting it to my dealer site that I have with them.

 

[ChrisHirst]

Most affiliate schemes are complete garbage for this reason. The primary company aren't interested in your site all they are looking to is getting you to promote their site/product and at some point in time may decide drop you completely.
Mostly you will be wasting time and effort creating a site about someone else's content and expecting it to rank highly. There are untold thousands of Amazon and e-Bay affiliate sites out there, do any of them appear in searches? No! SEs do not want and do not list affiliate site, The better directories will not list affiliate sites, So you are left with FFAs and guestbook spamming as a means of promoting visibilty.
You are probably better building a site with content that is related to the product and having links from that, and if their rules don't allow that you know what to do.



Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?

 

[rhondabrabbin]

no they don't allow links from or to another site, that is why I wanted to do a page with a ton of content that people would type in when looking for this product, then redirect it to my company page, as they say nothing about not being able to do redirect pages.
So do you think that would work?

 

[ChrisHirst]

Sure it would work, for a short while, until your domain get banned! then you have to start over again with a new domain name, build the traffic up wham! banned again!. Nobody wants redirected doorway pages in the SERPs apart from the get rich quick scammers and spammers.

Take a look at

http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html

specifically the ones I've set in bold

Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
Don't send automated queries to Google.
Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content

The way this company is going about it is suspect to say the least. It's like giving a salesman a box of samples and saying sell those BUT you can't let anybody know you're selling them or having a shop front with no windows and a door that's unlocked round the back of the shop and a sign that says to buy this you have to pop down the road a bit. How on earth are you going to sell a product that you can't promote legitametely.

If you are convinced this is a great idea, first off get some feedback from other affiliates, preferably not a list that the company gives you, they are bound to be good ones. Do some research into the company and their product before committing time and money to this.

IMO the whole things has overtones of just another MLM scam where the only person making money is the one at the top.



Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?