I hate ASP!

[Sensibilium]

Why does Microsoft find it reasonable to introduce ASP into FrontPage 2000 when it is clearly obvious that if you don't spend another £700 on WindowsNT/2K then you have no chance of utilising it?<br><br>I'm getting fed-up of downloading various types of web servers, only to find that either they don't support ASP, or if they do, it's usually an add-on.<br><br>In the case of the so-called wonderful Freeware Sambar Server, their help file points to InstantASP from Halcyon Soft, you follow the link, you attempt to download it, you type in all your details, and after all that they finally tell you that InstantASP is restricted to 2 concurrent users (!!!), unless you cough up another $500.<br><br>This is very disappointing, as my intranet site is built using ASP, and now I have the choice of re-writing the site, or re-installing the very crap PWS...<br><br>Anyone got any (totally) free solutions to this?<br> <p>ahdkaw<br><a href=mailto:ahdkaw@sensibilium.com>ahdkaw@sensibilium.com</a><br><a href=

http://sensibilium.com/>Sensibilium</a><br>'If

you do visit my sites - be warned! You must be of a discordian nature...'

 

[Karl Blessing]

there is a update to the Apache webserver that allows you to use ASP. but keep in mind, ASP is a Microsoft byproduct, none of the other non-microsoft people are going to get it perfect. If you really get aggravated by this, try learning CGI-BIN. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href=

http://kb244.8m.com>

</a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>

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[Sensibilium]

I've tried the Apache webserver, and indeed tried to d/load the ASP update, but again it was a restricted update if you can't pay.<br><br>I've actually tried so far:<br>Apache<br>PWS<br>Sambar<br>GoAhead<br><br>They're all useless without ASP.<br><br>Can you actually tap into Access db's using CGI-BIN? <p>ahdkaw<br><a href=mailto:ahdkaw@sensibilium.com>ahdkaw@sensibilium.com</a><br><a href=

http://sensibilium.com/>Sensibilium</a><br>'If

you do visit my sites - be warned! You must be of a discordian nature...'

 

[Karl Blessing]

um Access DB with CGI , uncertain, but I know the best way to go with a ASP is with IIS4 or later. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href=

http://kb244.8m.com>

</a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>

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[Sensibilium]

At the end of the day, I'm going to HAVE to buy W2K Server if I want to keep using ASP (which I do)...<br><br>It's just a shame that the poorer among us still have to pay through the teeth for any kind of ASP functionality. I strongly believe that ALL software should be free for personal use, that way I could 'test the waters' so to speak, before jumping in at the deep end.<br><br>Ho hum, such is life...<br> <p>ahdkaw<br><a href=mailto:ahdkaw@sensibilium.com>ahdkaw@sensibilium.com</a><br><a href=

http://sensibilium.com/>Sensibilium</a><br>'If

you do visit my sites - be warned! You must be of a discordian nature...'

 

[palbano]

Dear ahdkaw,<br><br>Wow... I don't want to be harsh but I certainly don't agree with your point of view on this matter. <br><br>By way of trying to offer some helpful view points I would suggest that the MSDN Universal Subscription is the best deal available for RnD in the industry if you are working on the Microsoft Platform. It's not 'free' but for $2,500 a year you get about $15,000 of software for personal and even limited Production use.<br><br>If you want 'completely free' I would suggest looking into the Java Web Server and JSP, it is free... at least for now.<br><br>&quot;But, that's just my opinion... I could be wrong&quot;.<br>-pete

 

[Karl Blessing]

He's right about that, my CEO has this MSDN subscription we got about a couple thousand CDs I had to organize at one point of time, since back to 1997. and the java server pages, well if you know javascript thats pretty good, but I am still unsure if that has ADO, also you dont need to go buy Win2k, see if you can buy NT4 anywhere, and upgrade it to the SP3 Service PAck for NT4, which will include IIS4 with it. We Use NT4 w/ IIS4 here at work, even tho we have every single version of Win2k with IIS5, we chose not to upgrade at this point of time. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href=

http://kb244.8m.com>

</a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>

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[palbano]

Karl,<br><br>&gt; and the java server pages, well if you know javascript thats pretty good, but I am still unsure if that has ADO<br><br>It's not javacript. You use Java. Of course there is no ADO since you want to maintain platform independence. <br><br>There is JDBC which at the version 2 level provides decent functionality and actually the interface is very similar to ADO. <br><br>The scaling of database applications is an issue that isn't completely know to me yet. Oracle promises pooling connections in there next release that's due out any day now. I don't know if SQL Server would still pool connections for you if you were running under the JWS and using JDBC for your connection mechanism. I have not yet looked into the architecture to figure it out.<br><br>-pete

 

[Karl Blessing]

Well in any case, I have seen the way it works, with aDO you can get to SQL Server, Oracle, Etc, with JDBC you have to find a JDBC ODBC driver to start with, and I dont know how to convert a Access DB to JDBC, also since this is serverside, browser indepenedence is fine for me, as long as I can decide which platform I want for my server. Also JDBC is still kind of beta state. <p>Karl<br><a href=mailto:kb244@kb244.8m.com>kb244@kb244.8m.com</a><br><a href=

http://kb244.8m.com>

</a><br>Experienced in : C++(both VC++ and Borland),VB1(dos) thru VB6, Delphi 3 pro, HTML, Visual InterDev 6(ASP(WebProgramming/Vbscript)<br>

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[flowerpot]

Several of my friends at college were successful at getting ASP working utilising PWS which comes free on the Windows 98 CD, but isn't installed in a standard installation. You can also download it from Microsoft and someone even said they got it working with Windows 95 as well.<br><br>I'm afraid I can't give any tips on how to do it myself as I use NT for my development work.<br><br>My apologies if you've already tried PWS.

 

[flowerpot]

Oops, so sorry - you *have* already tried PWS, I should've read your posting more carefully. Apologies.

 

[Sensibilium]

Thank you all for your help, but at the end of the day an MSDN subscription is well out of my league, I am working for a small family firm, and getting them spend £1000 on a new PC is tough enough, never mind £1000 on a subscription (my bosses will never go with that).<br><br>I really don't want to learn Java as it would mean scrapping everything I done so far and starting again, not to mention the length of the learning curve to endure!<br><br>I will have to do what I said originally when I buy this new server and the Structured cabling is installed, Win2K Server will be the easiest and least hassle-free solution.<br><br>Just have to cope without my intranet site for now... <p>ahdkaw<br><a href=mailto:ahdkaw@sensibilium.com>ahdkaw@sensibilium.com</a><br><a href=

http://sensibilium.com/>Sensibilium</a><br>'If

you do visit my sites - be warned! You must be of a discordian nature...'