Hyphenation and Justification

[MarcusStringer]

Hi guys,

Lately I've been doing alot more text heavy (Novels etc) InDesign jobs.

I have noticed that it's really hard to get para's to hyphenate (compared to Quark) the way I want them to without manual intervention.
The Paragraph settings are set to Single line composser

My Hyphenation setting hover around:

And

And my Justification settings are:

Has anypone else run into this problem, and what did you do to solve it?

Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[carlow]

Well,

my settings are a little bit different.

In the justification options I have them set
word spacing 80 90 100
letter spacing -1 0 1
glyphscaling 100 100 101

Hyphenation
at least 7 letters
after 3 letters
before 3 letters
hyphen limits 2
Hyphenation zone 4 mm
this last setting is only important if you align left and your composer is single line

I leave my composer almost always on paragraph composer.

I think that probably the justification settings lead to the misbehabiour of your text


hope it helps

Carlow

 

[jmgalvin]

Marcus, I hardly ever hyphenate, but when I do I always use a paragragh style rather than the paragraph window. Seems to make it easier to change things if necessary. The
"hyphen zone" and playing the little slider seems to help.

I also use the paragraph composer rather than single line.

In the indents and spacing, see how balance ragged lines works.

The beauty of the par style is that you can just make a second or third - based on the first and make some little changes - to apply as necessary.



Using OSX 10.3.9 on a G4

 

[MarcusStringer]

Yeah, pretty much the same...
The reason is, I get alot of tight lines or conversly gappy lines, because it didn't hyphenate where it was suppose to, which seems silly to me because the same paragraph in Quark would chuck in a Hyphen.

As with Jmgalvin, I hardly ever hyphenate for the work I do...
And yes, I only set the H+J's in the Styles as well.

I have the Single line composer turned on because when I do need to manualy put a hyphen in it keeps the rest of the Para where it was, as opposed to rejigging the para if Paragraph Composer was on.

This way the client doesnt say: why did you change the whole para? I only wanted that one word turn over to the next line...

Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[jmgalvin]

Could nay of this possibly have to do with the character format seet in either par or char styles, or even a particular font?

Using OSX 10.3.9 on a G4

 

[MarcusStringer]

Good point,

I think I am going to have to do a heaps of test to get the optimum H+J settings with all of the most common fonts.

Frustrating...

Marcus

http://www.midlandtypesetters.com.au

 

[jmgalvin]

My 2 favorites - serif - are Caslon (any) and Warnock pro. They always seem to lay out beautiful for reading text of any length.

For san serif, if Hevetica Neue ever disappeared, I'd commit suicide.

Using OSX 10.3.9 on a G4