It is accurate, its that on app loadup I check some env things before I create/load the menus.
It occurs before the login page at which time there is no menu as it loads different menus based on the user's level. If something is not as expected in the env, (this occurs before the login), I then redirect the user to a "settings" form. Note that this form is loaded in this special case before the login form and before any menus.
This settings form contains licensning data and place to add 3rd party apps, which will build the menu the pads for them. At this point I need to check if the menu or pads exists and branch around it as there is code that builds/updates the menu popups when the user applies the settings.
I know of other ways around this problem such as "do form settings with 'NoMenus'", but was wondering if there was a way to test if menu/popup pad was up or created...
I'll check on the function you mentioned...
Thanks, Stanley