How much UPS for PARTNER ACS??

[jonnybb1]

Can someone suggest an efficient battery-backup for a new ACS with 9co's and 44 extensions? Back up time would be 5-6 hours due to frequent black-outs in storms?

The only solutions I find from Minutman, APC, & Tripplite are $1400+++

Anyone with realworld experience please let me know.

Tanks a bunch

john@lantexco.com

 

[Rainman10]

I dont understand your #'s but I assume you have a full carrier. Your answer has many dynamics to it. Follow these guidelines and you can't go wrong.

1) There are 3 levels of UPS's. "Online" is best because it converts your AC power to DC,filters from or adds to it, then converts back to AC for your partner ACS. There is ZERO power interuption during outages or brown-outs. It is your best chance at protection out there.

2) Buy a model that can have battery cabinets added as you discover you need longer and longer hold-over time.

3) Never run a UPS at more than 80% of load.

4) Whichever UPS you buy, it is not a replacement for a surge suppressor. If you want Avaya to honnor your warranty or post-warranty maintenance contract you need an FCC approved surge supressor ahead of your FCC approved UPS. Did I mention your UPS needs to be approved by the FCC for telecommunications equipment?

You need a 1000VA online UPS. If you buy it from Avaya and an authorized dealer installs it you are eligible for a maintenance contract. As long as you keep your UPS on the contract they will replace the UPS free of charge every 5 or 10 years depending what battery is in the unit, or as needed.

If you call Avaya for service, and your non Avaya UPS is the cause, you will be billed non-maintenance contract rates for the visit and equipment replaced.

Please do yourself and your company a favor and buy an Avaya UPS from your authorized dealer. There is an old adverb in the phone business .... "Pay me now or pay me even more later." I have seen many people who have spent far more in the long-run. It is appealing to save a few bucks now but look at the big picture.

Goto

http://www.avaya.com

for a UPS handbook or use the configuration guide.

 

[jsaad]

i have put a minuteman 1000 on a norstar and it lasted more than 8 hours. that same minuteman on a similar avaya partner 2cabinet system lasted only 2 hrs during a blackout.

my point? i believe the avaya partner consumes more than other systems, must be due to those backlit displays.

Also, why would you need 5-6 hrs backup, if the lights are out for 5-6 hours, how is teh customer going to work during the dark, unless they have a backup generator. also, i believe that during a power outage, fire officials want you to leave the building, no power, no lights,no elevator and so forth, especially if it is a prolonged time period.

http://www.tgscorp.com

 

[jonnybb1]

This is an upgrade from a failing PartnerII system.

The Carrier will be loaded with R5 processeor, 2x 308ec, & 2x 012e. There will be 34 extensions and 8 ports used for Amanda Voice Mail with a few left for growth. The phones are all existing 6, 18, & 18d button phones to be replaced with new ones over the next 6 months.

The reason for the 5-6 hours is that this is the period of time no one is at the building to manage the back-up generators or to reset the breaker switches. There has never been an outage longer than this.

Nothing against the "total" Avaya solution, but competition drives newer technologies and better pricing, and I am hoping to find a little of both...

 

[Rainman10]

The Partner system probably uses more power because it is a totally analog system due to its enhanced tip-ring capabilities. The same sized system all digital would use considerably less power. The up-side of the enhanced tip-ring capability is you can hook any analog device to any of its ports without using an alalog adapter.

Of course usage will also play a major factor and is compounded by its analog infrastructure.

I believe you can also dim the displays if you feel that is the true root of the problem.

 

[jonnybb1]

The goal with that phones are to upgrade them from the old MLS phones (Mostly 6 button) to all 18d phones by next year. So the backlit displays will be an issue as far as power is concerned. We have decided on using Panamax Surge suppressor (Thanx to Rainman10's suggestion!) that has a grounding plate, and 6 outlets. (around $50) and a Tripplite 1500xl with three batteries and room to grow.
Part of the problem was the PartnerII system was loosing programming everytime the power went off and they were paying $140 for every service call to reprogram (no voice mail, was easy...). After paying several hundred dollars and replacing a couple of bad EXT cards, they took my advice and are upgrading the cabinet and then the phones, and then Voicemail.

Thanx for the information!!