Hooking Groupwise to a linux email box

[IdahoTech]

Hello all,

I was wondering does anyone know how or where I can find out how to hook up groupwise to a already setup and running linux email.

We have a linux email system in place and would like to keep using it even though groupwise is its own email my boss has heard of a new kernel for sendmail that will help block spammers. AOL is using it from what I hear and he wants to stay with it unless someone can tell me that Groupwise can do the same and be free. Otherwise I have to find a way to make Groupwise collect outside mail.

I have it working now after a week of messing with it and finally getting it setup it now works for internal for groupwise but need to see if I can get it to retrieve our ourside mail without any extra setup in groupwise like adding a new account.

If I am not clear let me know I will try to explain better.

IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

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[MichiganRon]

I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to do.

Do you want to run the GroupWise client on a linux workstation (this is possible)? Or, do you want to run the GroupWise agents on linux (as far as I know, this is not possible at this time)? Or, do you want to run GroupWise on a Windows or Netware box and use some third party linux based anti-spam product as a gateway for all your Internet mail (this is possible)?

-Ron

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[IdahoTech]

Hello Ron,

>Or, do you want to run GroupWise on a Windows or Netware >box and use some third party linux based anti-spam >product as a gateway for all your Internet mail (this is >possible)?

We Want to run the Groupwise on a Netware 6 sp4 box and still use our Redhat Linux (3rd party) email box as a gateway for our email. So yes what you stated above.

If you have a step by step on how to do it that would be great or point me to somewhere that has a way to do this that would be good also. I am getting better at netware, but got thrown into groupwise now and my head is a swirlin with all the info I am trying to absorb besides keeping 80 computers running and 200 teachers and staff happy).

Not to get off subject but I knew someone named ron back in chicago who worked with me at a company called CNC??

your stuck inside this forum???? LOL

Thanks for responding

IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

http://www.sd60.k12.id.us

 

[marvhuffaker]

I just saw something from Novell saying that Groupwise for Linux has been released. Not sure if that is an option for you but worth mention.

Marvin Huffaker MCNE, CNE
Marvin Huffaker Consulting

http://www.redjuju.com

 

[terry712]

oh good - need to give that a whirl on monday

 

[IdahoTech]

Well I would like to keep it on a Novell Box really. The linux box is good. All it does is our email. All other ports are blocked on the box.

So back to the original question that was above. I did see that it came out, but that unfortunately is not a option. Thanks anyhow )



IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

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[lgarner]

We Want to run the Groupwise on a Netware 6 sp4 box and still use our Redhat Linux (3rd party) email box as a gateway for our email. "

This is not a problem. The mailboxes will reside on your GroupWise server, but you can easily use anything else as a gateway for filtering or whatever. Just configure your Linux server to relay mail to your NetWare server.

 

[IdahoTech]

Hello lgarner,

Thanks for the info. So there is nothing special that I have to do on the Groupwise box? I thought that I would have to set it up with a account to look at our outside email or something along that line.

I apologize for being kinda goofy on this but just am wondering about it. What would I have to setup on the Groupwise box to allow the email to be coming through.

Thanks

IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

http://www.sd60.k12.id.us

 

[lgarner]

As I read it, you want all mail to come in and hit the Linux server which will relay to GroupWise. Then no, nothing needs to be done to the GW server. GW will normally accept mail from anywhere that's destined for a GW user.

The trick would be to get GW to actively retrieve mail from an external server. If you had mailboxes residing on the Linux server, then that would be an issue. GroupWise used to have something called "PFA", but I don't think it exists any more.

The way I'd do it is: Tell the Internet to send mail to your Linux server. Have Linux do what it does and relay the mail to GroupWise. GroupWise won't know the difference.

Lee.

 

[IdahoTech]

Well that is somewhat of the problem though. There are email boxes on the linux server. So how would this work?

We plan on implementing this come this summer. So for now as a test can I have the Linux box still keep the mail but also have a rule in there to forward it to the Groupwaise box, then come summer and everyones email will be done and have it just forwarded to the Groupwise box?

Does that make sense?? I still need to read a little more but I am getting brain lock sometimes from reading so much)

Well thanks for the tips so far. Let me know if that is possible?

IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

http://www.sd60.k12.id.us

 

[KenB]

The GWIA, GroupWise's SMTP gateway can be set to allow retrival of mail messages from other E-mail Accounts IE: POP3, IMAP. It just puts all the messages into the Universal Inbox. This might help to retreive messages from SendMail. The GWIA can also be setup to forward outgoing messages to a Smart Host IE: the SendMail SMTP Gateway. This will allow SendMail to handle all Internet bound E-mail. Then when you are ready to turn on the full GroupWise system just have the SendMail SMTP Gateway start to relay messages to to the GWIA.
I have setup a firewall that runs Linux that has EXIM SMTP gateway built into it and although we were using GroupWise long before the firewall I do something similar. Do all the reading on the GWIA functions that you can and if you get stuck at some point start a new thread for that problem.

HTH
Ken

 

[IdahoTech]

Hello Ken,

Well we want to try a full version of it so we want the Linux box still to get mail in case GW ever goes down. The one thing I am wondering about is the Universaal Inbox that you are talking about. Will the mail users in groupwise still be able to retrieve thier own email.

That part looses me a bit, but I get the whole concept with the rest of what you said. Any ideas or good suggestions on reading up on the GWIA?? I have a couple of books that I had purchased for this ( out of my own money of course) So maybe I will find it in there if I dig a little more.

Thanks again Ken for the info. Yeah we want to keep the linux box up and running and scanning the email for antivirus as well as in case the GW box goes down, but still let groupwise be the main mail system with the linux as a backup just in case.



IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

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[IdahoTech]

Hello all,

Well I got the email working to a point. When it went to install gwia I read the txt file at the end and it had a few errors in it and if anyone would like to take a look at it here it is:

0:IP Number:172.16.70.70

0:host name:GWSERVER.sd60.k12.id.us

0:Relay Host checks out OK:172.31.0.4

9009:MX Record mismatch:GWSERVER.sd60.k12.id.us

0:IP host is active:198.41.0.4

0:MX Record found:novell.com

9009:MX Record mismatch:GWSERVER.sd60.k12.id.us

9009:MX Record mismatch:GWSERVER.sd60.k12.id.us

9009:MX Record mismatch:GWSERVER.sd60.k12.id.us

9009:MX Record mismatch:GWSERVER.sd60.k12.id.us

0:MX Record checks out:sd60.k12.id.us

0:MX Record checks out:sd60.k12.id.us


I can now send email from GW out, but I cannot get email from my linux box. I thought I had set it up correctly but I guess I am missing one thing.

Let me know and thanks for all your help.


IdahoTech
'Only two things are infinite - the Universe and human Stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the Universe' Albert Einstein

http://www.sd60.k12.id.us

 

[KenB]

Hi Idaho,
Do you have an MX record setup for the GW system? From the errors it looks that way. Are you using NAT behind your Linux box (2 NICs) and using it as a Router?
If so you need the MX record pointing to the Public IP Address of the Sendmail/Linux box not the GW box. The second NIC should have the Private IP Address, this way your Linux box is acting as a Firewall. You may have to set up a Proxy server S/W, etc.
If you want to use the GW Client to read all mail make sure that the GWIA has POP3 and/or IMAP turned on. POP3 will pull the mail from the Sendmail box, IMAP will leave it there but allow you to read it. Check out

http://support.novell.com

and search the Knowledge Base for info on these settings.
You may also need to setup a Hosts file on the Netware server and also a Route.cfg file. Make sure that the GW server can ping the internet through the Linux box.

HTH
Ken