rmarcus my problem has extended. Text to columns was Ok when there were equal numbers of given names before the surname. But how or can I use test to columns when there may be from one or two or three etc given names. The text to columns separates all given names (using the space as a delimter) which I don't want. I need to pick off the last name (the name before the last space)and place it into the next column and leave the rest behind. Thanks for your previous help.