Does Google really give preference to pages it finds by itself? 4

[JoJoH]

Hi all,

Does Google really give preference to pages it finds by itself over the once submitted? Please advice.

Thanks in advance.

JoJoH

http://www.jadeboutique.com

 

[ChrisHunt]

Not that I've heard, and it sounds pretty unlikely. What makes you think that may be the case?

-- Chris Hunt

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[JoJoH]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your reply! I guess I must have read it somewhere on the web that Google gives higher rank to pages it finds on it own, I've been to quite a number on sites reading up on how to make my site rank higher, I guess some of the stuff I read is the author's opinion instead of the fact! Basically the reason I asked was because I've created a few new pages in my site that I will be crawled by Google soon, would submiting the pages be faster than waiting for it to come? Please advice.

Thanks in advance.

JoJoH

http://www.jadeboutique.com

 

[ChrisHirst]

Hi JoJoH,

Google only seems to give more weighting to sites/pages found by crawling over submitted pages is that the PageRank(PR) of the page that sent the bot to it will be factored in sooner. A submitted page will be given a PR of >0 but <0.5 until it has been analysed and any backlinks located, A crawled link on the other hand will carry the PR weight with it (Page PR/No of links).


Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?

 

[JoJoH]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for your reply! I'm sorry but I've read through the first sentence many times but I still couldn't understand what it means. Please advice

Thanks in advance.


JoJoH

http://www.jadeboutique.com

 

[ChrisHirst]

Hi JoJoH,

ok, Every page that Google knows about is given a PageRank. This is Google's patented method of deciding how 'important' a page is and this importance is passed on through the links leading off the page, Generally it is assumed/empirically determined that each link will carry a portion of that 'importance' with it. So a PR5 page with 10 links will have a PR weighting 0.5 (5/10) for each destination page (this is Toolbar PR not actual PR btw). Therefore if a page has 10 PR5 links to it, that page should be PR5 (it doesn't quite work like that because there is a 'dampening rating' factored in)

This means that a submitted page, when the Googlebot crawls it will not have any passed on PR so will be given the minimum rating that will keep it in the index.
Submitted pages also seem to be given a low priority for a first crawl. The inference seems to be if it's not good enough to get a link it's not good enough for Googles index.

But as your site is in the index provided you have links to your new pages from existing pages, the new pages will be crawled and added to the index within 3 cycles of the Googlebots visits.



Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?

 

[JoJoH]

Hi Chris,

Got it! Thanks Chris! Talking about cycles, is there a set time say like a month per cycle?(I really hope my new pages will be index before Christmas) Please advice.

Thanks again Chris!

JoJoH

http://www.jadeboutique.com

 

[ChrisHirst]

Hi JoJoH,

Depends, is about the most qualified answer to that. There is generally a monthly cycle to the visits and updates but, some pages will get crawled and updated more frequently.
The difference is the content, A site where the content changes rarely will be on a monthly crawl and a site with daily changes may get crawled on a daily or hourly basis. A busy forum with continuous changes (like here) and the new topics can be in the Google SERPs in a couple or three days.

Your site logs will tell you the frequency of visits and which pages the crawler prefers.



Chris.

Indifference will be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?

 

[JoJoH]

Thanks Chris for all your help!

JoJoH

http://www.jadeboutique.com

 

[ChrisHunt]

&quot; So a PR5 page with 10 links will have a PR weighting 0.5 (5/10) for each destination page&quot;

Are you sure about this? My understanding is that a page receives &quot;votes&quot; from all the pages that link to it, and that those votes are weighted by the voting site's PR. The number of other links on the voting page is irrelevant - what matters is that a highly regarded page links to your site.

If your theory was correct, you could inflate your PR by creating a load of single pages (each PR1) each with a single link to your page. Each one of those links would be worth more PR than one from a page with PR10 but more than 10 links (which isn't many once you allow a few for internal navigation). This doesn't seem likely to produce good results, and seems at variance with Google's observed behaviour regarding highly linked and linking pages, eg blog entries.

-- Chris Hunt

http://www.extracon.com

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk

http://www.napitalia.org.uk

http://www.leicesteryha.org.uk

 

[ChrisHirst]

Chris,
The PR/links weighting was over-simplified but it is essentially accurate. There are a few other things taken into account of course, The damping factor for one of course, this is generally taken to be 0.85 so the simple 5/10 = 0.5 isn't actually that. Also given that PR is not an integer from 1 to 10, So a PR5 will be between whatever represents 4.5 to 5.4999999.
Mark Horrell does a good job of explaining the somewhat daunting matrix calculation that PR is based on

http://www.markhorrell.com/seo/pagerank.html

and there is a good PR calculator there as well.

On the second point you are absolutely correct, it is possible to inflate the PR of a site by creating lots of keyword rich PR1 pages (Doorways) and putting a few links to the target domain or by cross-linking dozens of domains. Many have done it and most are now getting penalised for it.




Chris.

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