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Hi all,

What do you guys think of cross linking multiple unique designs, relevant/similar content sites to boost link popularity/rankings? Please provide your thoughts/advices.

Thanks in advance!

JoJoH

 
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If done very carefully, then it is a significant advantage to operators with more than one site.

Unfortunately it is not usually done properly. The downside can be quite drastic if you get it wrong.

If you are going to attempt it, study up first. If you are not prepared to study up, then be prepared to throw your domains away and start again.


 
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JoJoH
Don't do it. The algos at Google do pick this up and more sites using this trick will be blocked\banned in the future, also a competitor may decide to report your site. the short term benefits are great, long term could be disastrous as ulteriormotif points out. It can be done with excellent results if implemented properly.

the Google guidelines,
Spam Report

all the other major engines have similar.

The best rules to play by are;
Is this right for my visitors answer should be Yes
Am I doing this just for PR answer should be No
does this seem right answer should be Yes

apply Reasonable Doubt principles. SEO is all about common sense and if you think it looks or feels wrong it probably is.
By applying these principles I got a site to No 2 (~500 results) on Google SERPs for the search phrase within 3 months of launch and it is still there 6 months later (beaten by hidden text and backlinks!).

if you want to read more advice from some of the worlds top SEO pros go 'lurk' or join here (hopefully David won't object). I spent several months here reading and learning the right way to do things (to think I paid to be at WMW! well my ex-employer did) before joining in.




Chris.

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Thanks ulteriormotif, thanks Chris for the wonderful advices and links(By the way, that was a great forum you've point me to Chris)! Anyways, I really don't think there should anything wrong with the way I am doing it... I am planning to have a main site who sells handbags, shoes, and accessories. Then I am planning to have 3 other sites- one sell handbags, the other shoes, and the other accessories. They will also look totally different, have different domains, and be hosted on different hosting company with different IPs. My competitor(very strong competitor) have over 10-15 of HIS OWN site crosslinked/listed on Google(all with different looks, a few with similar contents, a few with different contents, a few are doorways/hallway pages), and he ranks extremely well(top 1 to 2) on MANY of my keywords... MOST of his inbound links are his own sites...
Please let me know what you think, if you are still adamant about not to do it, let me know! Ulteriormotif, you said something about "If you are going to attempt it, study up first." Do you know of any good resources(not too pricey) that would help me out with that? Please advice.

Thanks in advance!

JoJoH

 
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Hi JoJOH

many of the posts at IHY deal with multiple domains and crosslinking there are lots of useful links in the posts (all free), but provided none of your sites look like mirrors and you don't duplicate pages across domains and interlink them heavily then you should be fine. Use the anchor text for the back links wisely (For more shoes by 'blah' visit and DO NOT cross link individual pages, link to internal pages by all means but don't link back on that page. Where possible have some unique content in the other sites and link this from the main site. It will be fine to link shoes to bags to accessories but be careful you don't end up with a 'round robin' this will start to get penalised.
As I said in an earlier post ask yourself 'is this good for my visitors' not 'is this good for google'
and different IPs won't make that much difference as the SEs do 'whois' lookups

and visit.

and a lot more, all the SEO companies (the good ones anyway) have good practice guides and DIY SEO instruction (it's not rocket science just time consuming) to read for free.

don't worry how the competition get higher, their fall will be harder when it happens, use good solid 'ethical' techniques with good quality content and you'll get up there and more importantly stay up there without a concern of what ifs.


Chris.




Chris.

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I got kicked off google with for cross linking, did nothing except remove a cross linking file and back on it went.

Latest algo from Google is pretty snarly

Trick is to mix in a links to other sites with your corss links, but its laborious
 
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Hmm...I have 4 domain names....


These sites are all identical in content. I got these with the idea of reselling some of the domain names in a year or two (Pillar just got signed with MCA)
I was planning to use as the main site to submit to directories and search engines, but will Google penalize me since they all link to each other? :-s

Rick

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Yep, definitely penalty material if they are going to be separate sites and cross linked.
Wouldn't it be simpler (and less risky) to have one site with the DNS for them all pointing to that.

I don't think anybody falls for the 'I own a domain with your name on it' stunt anymore either, The record company is more likely to sue you for it than buy it.




Chris.

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I think that it is all one site with DNS...They go to any of the domain names and it pulls the files from the same folder as all the others...

About being sued, first of all, the band has been around for almost 5 years now, they've been on a decent size record label for over 3 (the one that I'm trying to get to sign me), and they already have I only have I don't think that they'd really sue me for it, would they? COULD they? I doubt they'd be able to.

For reselling them, I meant to individuals who want to use the domain to either build fan sites (like they could beat mine (h) j/k ;-)) or to simply sell stuff on it...

The thing is, I want them all to have their own PR. Would they all have one, using DNS? I would only be submitting one of them to directories and getting backwards links from it. I just wanted the others to all have the same PR as the original, since they're all linked...or is that not possible?

Rick

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Hi Rick,
If you tried to promote all of the domain names Google could possibly see them as mirrors, identical content, same IP, same whois info so cross-linking would be a bad move. any cross linking is starting to earn 30 day penalties an nippi seems to have found out

Even if you start getting backlinks to each of the domains, Google may only list one of them in the index because they are identical (BTW a lot of this is educated guesswork and opinions as the actual algos are never revealed) so only the site with the good inbound links would get the PR (everything else is equal) The only way to safely promote all domains would be to have 4 sites with unique content on each. DMOZ, you may get one listed if you are lucky then if you submitted the rest the likelyhood is that they would all get removed.

Selling on as a fan site may be ok. I'm just aware of the sue now think later mentality of the corporates, and there was a case 2-3 years back of someone who had a several thousands of domains registered (tradenames, alternate TLDs and mis-spelling) and was sued for lots by the respective companies.
I'm involved in one now with a client where a ex-employee has registered the .co.uk, .com of their domain name and variations (they have .ltd.uk) and has pointed them to his site (in the same marketplace) and there are currently solicitors letters flying back and forth.





Chris.

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Hmm...I was planning to have 4 different templates, but with identical content....I don't want to take the time to disguise the content for Google or anything like that...I was just hoping that by them all being the same site, they might also all get the same PR....

I was only going to submit to dmoz and to get other fan sites to link to me....

I'd be interested to see how that case with your client turns out...I'd considered doing the same thing myself ;-)...only problem was all the good domain names were taken :-D.

So I guess I just use one of the domain names, don't have any hint of a link to the others? I can just keep the others as undeveloped domain names and sell them for a lot less?

Rick

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With identical content they would definitely get the same PR..... all 0s [sad], the only safe way to have all the domains live with the same content would be to use a redirect (301) (not a meta refresh) to the domain you are promoting. An alternative would be to have one main domain then put the other domains up with some content and link from the main site with a sort of 'Want your own Pillar fan site?' that way you're not risking anything and they may gain a bit of PR and maybe a bit of traffic, on there you could link back to the main site, just don't cross link.
these links should be ok (in theory)
A-B B-A
A-C C-A
A-D D-A
any combination involving B,C & D may well raise a red flag.

And if you do anything just for PR or the SEs it will be a risky move.

the problem with templates is they only look different, to the spiders looks mean nothing, they only read text. I use Opera with all multimedia content, frames, javascript and images off what the spider sees and this,



Chris.

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Hmm...that's a nice link....too bad it doesn't also say which content is weighted...ie...<h1> content: ..... <b> content: .....

So...I guess I just don't link the websites.....I can post urls to all 4 in various places, making sure that there's one main one, and then they can just get what PR they do....And be used by those who saw the link...they probably won't get top ranking, though...maybe....Pretty much as long as I don't link to them from my other fans sites, it's totally fine that they have exactly the same content?

Rick

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These sites are all identical in content. I got these with the idea of reselling some of the domain names in a year or two (Pillar just got signed with MCA)

If you are contacted to sell those domains and you agree in an shape or form, they could just threaten you with court action. The fact that you offered to sell those domains will show a court that you do not need them and the court would award them to the other party if they owned the copyright.

Speaking of copyright, do you realise that you have no mention of these sites being unofficial? No mention that the names and logos etc are copywritten and do not belong to you?

Hope this helps


Wullie


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The leader adjusts the sails. - John Maxwell
 
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Hmm...interesting comments.....

So you're saying that I could be in trouble if I offer to sell or if they offer to buy, or both? Of course, I do not NEED them, but I bought the rights to them, and the band and record label didn't. They had plenty of opportunities to buy them up. The fact that they kept their signing to MCA secret for a few weeks and still no one bought them up would seem to indicate that they didn't care, right?

You're saying that I'm not allowed to register pillarmusic.net because they have pillarmusic.com? About the other sites, there is no law about not being able to make fan sites or buy domain names that have the band's name in them (or any company name, for that matter), is there?

I HAVE to say that this site is unofficial? The logo I got out of promo materials...Isn't it ok for anyone to use them if they're for &quot;advertising&quot;? A good fan site is good advertisement for that band...

Either way, the site is not done yet...by far...I just barely started then I had to quit to do some &quot;real&quot; work. I've been in contact with the band members multiple times in the last couple of weeks. I was given full permission to use ANYTHING on their official website, and they didn't say a word about me having to give them or anyone else credit.

This whole copyright world is really confusing to me :-p...

Rick

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Either way, the worst that can happen is that I have to create a new design with my own logos and images, right? Or maybe even just give a content copyright notice about Pillar....

Rick

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Hi Mate,

If you have been given the permission to use the materials, then this is a slightly different matter, but you still need to mention that this is is unofficial and in no way endorsed by them.

Think about it. You write something on that site about another band or another person. A solicitor gets involved and tries to sue the band thinking it is an official website.

Where does this leave you? Worse than if they had contacted you directly because now they would want costs involved with contacting the band etc as well.

All of this can easily be solved with a simple &quot;This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Pillar, their partners or affiliates.&quot;

Just for the record, if you buy a domain and offer to sell it, the court takes it that you do not require the use of this domain because if you did then you would not even think of selling it. If you have a copyright on the name or nobody does, then this is a different matter.

The way to get round being forced to sign over a domain when it belongs to you and you don't want to sell it is to make some promotional materials with the address on it. (T-shirts, business cards, flyers etc)

Then when it comes to court you can say that this would be detrimental to your business and would result in the loss of a high amount of business, both current and potential. If they are awarded the domain then you would get compensation for it.

Hope this helps

Wullie


The pessimist complains about the wind. The optimist expects it to change.
The leader adjusts the sails. - John Maxwell
 
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If you have been given written permission to use anything from their website make sure it is displayed on the site and yes you should display a 'Some of the material on this site is copyright of etc etc... Permission have been given to display this material here ONLY. The content of this site etc etc.

Have a search for copyright notices.




Chris.

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