Constitutional Amendment

[MasterRacker]

Thinking about how MS, Intel, the entertainment industry and the the U.S. Govt. all seem to be trying to turn the Internet , tracking chips, ID cards, etc. into one big surveillance tool, I had a wacked out idea. How about starting a movement to get a constitutional amendment passed guaranteeing individuals a fundamental right to privacy and anonymity?

I'll leave it to the smarter minds here to debate the wording. (Who knows? Maybe someone is working on this already.)
Jeff
No matter how bad it is, it can always get worse ....

 

[CajunCenturion]

I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that these entities are trying to turn the internet into a giant surveillance tool. I think they are trying to prevent things from happening rather than observing and acting on what has already happened. But that in itself would be an interesting discussion.

With respect to the Constitutional Amendment, you've already got the 4th Amendment, to wit

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Then of course, there is the international apsect of the internet to which the Constitution does not apply. Good Luck
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As a circle of light increases so does the circumference of darkness around it. - Albert Einstein

 

[svanels]

The safest airline in the world is ElAir they only had one hijack that ended in Entebbe, ask them about the 4^{th[/b] Amendment Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr}

 

[sleipnir214]

svanels,

What in the world are you talking about? Did you post to the wrong thread? ______________________________________________________________________
TANSTAAFL!

 

[jen89]

I think svanels idea may be that security sometimes comes at a price. That airline may be the safest, but the people probably do not have the freedoms that we do. Somebody said something like "Those who value their security more than their liberty will lose both," which may not have much to do with the internet, but is an interesting point nonethless.

 

[CajunCenturion]

Two points svanels - On what grounds to you consider El-Al (I guess that's the airline you're referring to) is the safest?

And as I said in my original post, the 4th Amendment does not apply to that airline, nor any other non-US based airline.
Good Luck
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As a circle of light increases so does the circumference of darkness around it. - Albert Einstein

 

[Kjonnnn]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

ADD
No municipal, state, federal or any government agencies, groups, committees, individuals (hereinafter the U.S) shall have the right to intercept, receive, distort, reproduce, forward or recreate any electronic messages and pictures belonging to a US citizen; neither shall the U.S. have the right track, observe, record nor notate the electronic transmissions of a US citizen without giving said US citizen prior warning.

 

[sleipnir214]

Kjonnn,

While you're at it, why don't you wish for a trillion gazillion dollars, too?


I argue anything that is picked up over the open internet is, by definition, a reasonable search because you can have no reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet. Anonymity, yes, simply because of the traffic load of the internet. But not privacy.

This very post travelled through 3 cities and three different unencrypted, non-point-to-point networks to get into the Tek-Tips system. None of these three company's have made any kind of promise to me about keeping secret anything I transmit across their networks. ______________________________________________________________________
TANSTAAFL!

 

[svanels]

Security comes at a price, after the 11^th september it showed clearly how vulnerable some systems are. A lot of these "internet messages" are monitored and analyzed and we are not even aware of it. The mossad (Israelian Secret Service) has taken their job to the extreme. Before you can by a ticket to enter an El-Al plane, they know even where your grandpa went to school. You smell suspicious you do not even come near the airport. Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr

 

[sleipnir214]

"Mossad" from (approximately) Hamossad le-modi‘in ve-tafqidim meyuhadim, "The Institution for Intelligence and Special Missions". What a wonderfully ominous name.

svanels,
The Institution, in my assessment, takes everything it does very seriously. I know I wouldn't want their undivided attention. But I also know I'd feel a lot safer on El Al leaving Tel Aviv than on American Airlines. ______________________________________________________________________
TANSTAAFL!

 

[SteveTheGeek]

What systems' vulnerabilities were exposed by the hijackings of Sept 11th, exactly? Box cutters were allowed on airplanes, we already knew commercial aircraft were vulnerable to hijacking ("take me to Cuba!&quot, and we already knew there were a few Islamic fundamentalists willing to martyr themselves.

In any case, the 4th Amendment doesn't really apply to ANY airline - it delineates powers of the various branches of government, only.

 

[svanels]

The original post "Thinking about how MS, Intel, the entertainment industry and the the U.S. Govt. all seem to be trying to turn the Internet , tracking chips, ID cards, etc. into one big surveillance tool

clearly shows where the trend is going, and it will not become less. The next step is every suspicious person hooked up to a gsm. Did you know that people are implanting tracking devices just in case they got kidnapped?

Finally got the exact meaning of the Mossad, sleipnir you answered why El-Al is considered the safest airline in the world.

The reference center for airport security is Israel Steven van Els
SAvanEls@cq-link.sr

 

[CajunCenturion]

I will certainly concede that El Al takes security probably more seriously than any other airline in the world, but to classify it as the safety is a tough sell considering that Qantas has never had either a hijacking, nor any deaths as a result of aircraft incidents. To my knowledge, no other major airline can make that claim.

El Al has had two hijackings, and three other incidents with at least one fatalilty.
Good Luck
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As a circle of light increases so does the circumference of darkness around it. - Albert Einstein