company loyalty 3

[mikeleahy]

hi - im a professional IT engineer

i left a company in december and joined another one. (for career advancement reasons) . i hate the new job. the building leaks. its freezing all the time and the company dosent feel stable. i cant plan my future working for them. the job are people are fine, but there is loads of paperwork (and im a techie) and i just dont enjoy working here at all. i have gotten another job with a very reputable company as a systems admin. i have handed in my notice but they have now offered me 5k to stay for 6 months and then decide. what shoudl i do. i really want the systems admin job as its close to home etc but i feel bad for letting down the other company. should i feel bad?? or should i just put myself first.

 

[Grenage]

Put yourself first, absolutely, don't even question or feel bad about it. Your number one priority is looking after you.

The job you want might not be available then, certainly not at the company currently offering the position to you now.

You hate your current job, you really want the one you have been offered - no question about it in my eyes.

Carlsberg don't run I.T departments, but if they did they'd probably be more fun.

 

[mikeleahy]

thanks. thats what i thought myself. i just feel bad as this company have difficulty getting good staff and especially they cant keep them. another guy left last week. i dont like leaving so soon as it makes me feel like a baby but the other job is a dream job being close to home etc and being very very secure and offering me exposure to SAN and unix. i suppose i just shudnt let it bother me, if they were losing money they would let me go no problem

 

[bwtc]

Almost anyone hates to leave a company "high & dry"... but should there be layoffs, the company wouldn't even bat an eye...

Do what's best for you -- but try not to do it too often, as it does not look good on a resume...

 

[lgarner]

...this company have difficulty getting good staff and especially they cant keep them."

Judging by your first post, it seems to be a few things that they could fix if they really wanted to keep good people.

 

[johnherman]

Unless you need the extra money real badly, there's more to happiness than 5K for the hassles at that company with a longer commute, too.

Short term employment is a fact of life in today's world. I have twice held jobs for less than two weeks, having accepted one job while an offer for another (better) job was still under consideration and later came in. In the same token, I have accepted job offers and later received offers from other companies which did not accept, believing the first one I accepted to be the better job.



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The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was - Steven Wright

 

[genomon]

Run, run, run like the wind! When you find a job that makes you happy, you will WANT to stay! Stop suffering...

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

 

[mikeleahy]

thanks people. have given my final decision. im gone. joining a nice very steady corporate. never had a layoff. Irish owned (im irish) so not depending on the american bosses (no offense intended). i dont need to extra money and the other jobs salary is as good anyway. the bad company were just offering 5 k to stay for 6 months.i have never done this b4 and im only there since january so i can get rid of it off my cv.thanks again

 

[aarenot]

loyalty to a company means giving 100% for 8 hrs pay for an 8 hour day. Giving proper notice if you decide to replace them as your employer, as long as they accept notice by paying you for the notice period even if they send you home immediately. Finally, any customers which you began your proffessional relationship with via their job are not yours to take with you when you go.

 

[Grenage]

Good to hear that, Mike. I hope you enjoy your new job.

Carlsberg don't run I.T departments, but if they did they'd probably be more fun.

 

[harebrain]

the building leaks. its freezing all the time and the company dosent feel stable. i cant plan my future working for them. the job are people are fine, but there is loads of paperwork (and im a techie) and i just dont enjoy working here at all... the job are people are fine

I hope you told them all this at the exit interview. They might be clueless as to why they can't retain staff, especially because they offer cash inducements that don't work. At least you'd leave having given them the opportunity to better themselves, which could improve the lot of those left behind. "Looking out for no. 1" doesn't mean "the h*ll with everyone else," which is a tone I sense in many of the above posts.

 

[mikeleahy]

i told them most of it alrite. i didnt want to be too harsh with them though.

 

[aarenot]

You both made money, and no one was forced to continue the relationship, so no reason to part badly. If you made money, and they made money, that is a succesful business relationship.

 

[Sympology]

As an indicator, I took a £5k /$10k ($25k Microsoft dollars) pay cut when I quit a job. Never looked back. In fact the old company went bust a few years later, so was a good move.

Don't do a job just for the money, unless you want to be miserable for the next few decades.

Stu..

Only the truly stupid believe they know everything.
Stu.. 2004

 

[tazuk]

Don't do a job just for the money, unless you want to be miserable for the next few decades.

Well said. I left my last employer having spent 2 out of 3 years looking for the right job, happily taking a £5k pay cut and refusing offers of more salary to stay.
My pay's now not far off what it was before (after 2 years here) and I suffer from none of the stress related conditions that I used to.

It would take a heavily armed team of specialists to get me out of my current role now

TazUk

Programmer An organism that turns coffee into software.
Unknown Author

 

[pmonett]

After 18 years working for over a dozen companies, I have found that the only thing worth being loyal to is people.

I will work my ass off for a manager I know is fair and will recognize my contributions, if only with a smile from time to time (feels cheap to say that).

Most of the time, I have found people ready to blame me as soon as the wind turns, or who find it perfectly normal to work week-ends if the project goes over schedule - often because of decisions they have imposed without proper review. If I don't get at least a "thank you" in such conditions, then you can rest assured my schedule goes to a perfect 9-to-5 weekday only.

A company is a meaningless, soulless entity that cannot comprehend the notion of loyalty, much less practice it.

Be loyal to people who are worth it. The company may still screw you, but you'll know the people fought for you, even if they lost out. And they'll always be ready to help after if they can.

A company helps nobody but itself and its shareholders.

Pascal.


I've got nothing to hide, and I'd very much like to keep that away from prying eyes.

 

[AndrewTait]

I hope you told them all this at the exit interview

I told it how it is on my last exit interview (not so much an interview, but a word document I was asked to complete.)

Sent it back to the local HR Manager who originally sent it to me, and to the worldwide head of IT Infrastructure, as I was technically employed by group.

Found out afterwards, that both my immediate boss's boss, and the MD of the Office where I worked got the order of the boot as a result of problems they had introduced, tried to cover up, and other management were totally unaware of. Turns out my exit form had eventually landed on the CEO's desk.

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[Opieo]

I know this is kind of bad,
But I love removing people from their places of power if they were bad managers or bad at their job.
Got a summer job's boss (state park manager) fired because he was a jerk, never did his job, was drunk at work a lot, and made life horrible for most of the employees, as well as harassed my co-worker about his weight.
So I got several others to join me, we emailed his boss, they started an investigation.
He was fired 2 months later.
Ahhhh, sweet justice. The next guy was much nicer, and the productivity of the employees went up as well when they were appreciated for jobs well done. Rather than the prior, do it right, or get yelled at.


I will always be loyal to my great bosses, which (is this unusual?) I have predominately had nice bosses throughout my life (I am a whopping 23 though). Only 2 bad and 5 good. My current boss (first real job out of college) is freaking awesome. He has fought for me on every front possible (such as fighting HR to get me full-time instead of contract). He is very relaxed and as long as I get my job done, does not care what else I do. As a result I am very stress free and (at least I feel so) very productive.

Sorry if that rant was off-topic, but I feel it had a lot to do with being loyal to bosses. Whereas, to be honest, I feel nothing for a company entity. I could understand that being different if it was a small company.

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